Want iandh's KillCoil ? Make your own !

[Xilikon]

I you wanted a few KillCoil like the ones made by iandh but didn't have luck getting before it went OOS, here's your perfect method to do some yourself for very cheap :

-You can try to find a place which sell .999 silver wires and ribbons such as http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/fines.html or http://www.pasternakfindings.com/cat...setting_strips then order some (A feet can give you about 2-3 coils depending how tight you want the coil to be). However, the stores require a minimum order amount so a better bet is to hit ebay and get some (I got 19" of 1/8" silver strip for 9.50$ off ebay so the deals is definitely there) or check a local jewelry store.
-Upon reception of the silver, you can cut it in 4-6 inches strips (longer = tigher/bigger coil).
-Use a small cylinder like a pencil, a screwdriver shaft or anything which will give you the proper coil diameter for your needs. Remember that the coil should be barely big to fit inside your tubing or your reservoir and big enough to not pass thru fittings.
-Since silver is soft, you can wind the coil yourself with bare fingers. Just hold one end of the wire/strip on the shaft then roll along to make a spring-like shape until you reach the end of the strip/wire.

If you follow this simple method, you can get yourself many "KillCoil" at a fraction of the price you can see at one store.

Here's a illustrated version :

Received the .999 19" strip (1/8" wide) so here's the guide as promised (it's so easy that I made 4 strips in just 2 mins) :

Here's the raw strip as received from the ebay store :



Here is what you need. I used a uni-ball Vision pencil because the shaft is bigger than the barb inner diameter, which is what we want to avoid the coil being sucked in the loop :


I cut a 4-5" (my testing have shown that this will give a right-sized coil but you can go longer for a bigger coil) piece then I used the vise-grip to clamp the strip a end to the pencil shaft :


After clamping, just use your finger to wrap the strip around the shaft. It's pretty soft so it's easy to do that with the bare fingers :


After doing that, you will get this :


Here's what I got with a 19" strip. The 3 coils on the top is from 5" parts and the bottom one is 4" to give yourself a idea how big the coil is with various lengths :


You're done after this so just pitch it in your reservoir or your tubing for some antimicrobial love.

[RedRaider]

Great Post.....

DYI.....FTW

[CrazyJoe]

Great info and links !

[zlojack]

I'm definitely doing this.

No offense to iandh and his innovation, but his coils are bloody expensive when compared to DIY.

[Sniper]

I paid $15 for my 2 sent from A4G but I didn't mind cause he's cool right.

[bigslappy]

I'm making my own silver anti-vortex plates for My EK-400 reservoirs
gonna have my LoGo BigSlappy engraved on them
Got a whole plate of 99.9 fine silver plate to use .............

1/8" thick ....... Blinge To The Max ...................

[Sniper]

Surface area Slappy you have to suash it out need as much contact as you can get! lol

[bigslappy]

1 & 1/2" wide by 3 inches long enuff surface area for YA ?

[iandh]

Originally Posted by zlojack

I'm definitely doing this.

No offense to iandh and his innovation, but his coils are bloody expensive when compared to DIY.

No offense taken, but when calculated, the coils contain about $1.50-2.00 worth of the grade of silver I use, each bottle costs about 40 cents, and shipment of a batch of 30 coils costs about 30 cents per coil insured priority mail.

It takes me about 1hr to make 30 coils (they are bead blasted, carefully coiled with a special jig I made to make sure the coil tips don't go out of round, then acid washed, rinsed, and packed). I make roughly $30 an hour at my day job for OT, so figure 50 cents each of labor I could be working for overtime at work.

There is about $3.50 in production cost, and I make $2 per coil. Hardly big bucks, and I provide a convenience service.

If I were to price them any cheaper, I just wouldn't bother making them.

BTW 80 coils are on the way to Petra's.

edit: Also BTW, he linked to 28 ga sheet strip, I use 22 ga x .100" which is roughly 3 times more silver The most recent batch actually is using 20ga which is about 5 times more silver.

edit 2: Just as a warning, the ebay stuff is typically only 90% pure, it's got all kinds of crap in it you wouldn't want in your loop. That is another reason for the cost of my coils; I only buy the good silver.

[Xilikon]

Thanks iandh, that's roughly the costs I calculated. I wrote that simply as a way to explain how to make some and it's made as a convenience

20ga will be pretty expensive so if you sell them at the same price as currently, it's a good deal

[Langer]

Sounds more than fair. I'd be interested in a couple if I were using water.

I didn't think they are overpriced before at all. If for no other reason I'd buy it from you just to give you the credit for the idea - and for actually taking the time to provide a service to our niche.

[RedRaider]

Iandh, it's been repeated on the other forum that the coils were shipping this week, going on 2 months and no coils shipped???

[iandh]

Originally Posted by Langer

Sounds more than fair. I'd be interested in a couple if I were using water.

I didn't think they are overpriced before at all. If for no other reason I'd buy it from you just to give you the credit for the idea - and for actually taking the time to provide a service to our niche.

Yeah, I don't really get very offended at people calling my stuff overpriced... my ramsinks for instance aren't cheap, but I only make a little bit on them. The production cost is really high.

My most profitable product is the radgrilles, and I offer them at a very fair price compared to the competition. That's a product that works out great for everyone.

[RedRaider]

I bought some silver today to make my own coils

3' of 1/8"

3' of 3/16"

Plan on making "LARGE" coils to go inside my EK RES 400's

[Langer]

Do you have a site or a product page featuring all of your offerings- iandh?

[iandh]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

Iandh, it's been repeated on the other forum that the coils were shipping this week, going on 2 months and no coils shipped???

I said I was going to ship them like 3 weeks ago, they've been done for about a month. I called my powdercoater about the 480 grilles the day I made that post, and they said only a few more days, so I held off.

A few days later they called me and said they were ready (this was like a few days before x-mas), and so I left work early at 4 and drove over there only to find them closed early.

This happened one more time the day before new years, and I finally got them the day after. Petra's had said they were shut down til Jan 5, and Alex said he was going to be gone all this weekend so no updates would be made to the site anyways.

Stack on top of that the fact that I had to be out of my old rental and into my new one by Jan 8th, have a bad shoulder, am generally exhausted and split between about 72 people who all want a piece and that = major delay.

[RedRaider]

I'll still be making my own. It has been more than 3 weeks, though.

I bought 7 of your coils when Alex got his first shipment.

I disagree with your statement regarding the guage of the silver. All that really matters is the purity of the silver (to an extent since this isn't jewelry) and surface area in contact with water. The silver strips I bought today, 6' in total, is way cheaper than the (7) KillCoils I bought from Alex. I'm not complainng about your price, as I think it is very fair, rather stating a fact.

I really like your rad grills and GPU heatsinks, very nice designs

[zlojack]

Originally Posted by iandh

No offense taken, but when calculated, the coils contain about $1.50-2.00 worth of the grade of silver I use, each bottle costs about 40 cents, and shipment of a batch of 30 coils costs about 30 cents per coil insured priority mail.

It takes me about 1hr to make 30 coils (they are bead blasted, carefully coiled with a special jig I made to make sure the coil tips don't go out of round, then acid washed, rinsed, and packed). I make roughly $30 an hour at my day job for OT, so figure 50 cents each of labor I could be working for overtime at work.

There is about $3.50 in production cost, and I make $2 per coil. Hardly big bucks, and I provide a convenience service.

If I were to price them any cheaper, I just wouldn't bother making them.

BTW 80 coils are on the way to Petra's.

edit: Also BTW, he linked to 28 ga sheet strip, I use 22 ga x .100" which is roughly 3 times more silver The most recent batch actually is using 20ga which is about 5 times more silver.

edit 2: Just as a warning, the ebay stuff is typically only 90% pure, it's got all kinds of crap in it you wouldn't want in your loop. That is another reason for the cost of my coils; I only buy the good silver.

That's cool, it's not a huge expense either way, so no big deal. The DIY method is cheaper for someone who wants to bother with it, but at the end of the day, yours aren't overpriced for what goes into them. Just expensive vs. doing it yourself and getting probably the same result.

Don't take what I was saying the wrong way

[iandh]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

I'll still be making my own. It has been more than 3 weeks, though.

I bought 7 of your coils when Alex got his first shipment.

I disagree with your statement regarding the guage of the silver. All that really matters is the purity of the silver (to an extent since this isn't jewelry) and surface area in contact with water. The silver strips I bought today, 6' in total, is way cheaper than the (7) KillCoils I bought from Alex. I'm not complainng about your price, as I think it is very fair, rather stating a fact.

I really like your rad grills and GPU heatsinks, very nice designs

Actually I wasn't necessarily referring to surface area, but potential lifetime and resistance to deformation. I actually have 28, 26, 24 ga on hand but I found them too flexible to reliably hold their shape and retain themselves within the tubing.

As far as 20ga goes, I ordered and paid for 22ga sheet, and recieved 20ga, so their loss and my (and everyone elses) gain.


As I said before, I make it my goal to price my products to be very fair for everyone involved, myself, Petra's/Sidewinder, and customers alike.

My last post over there about them was Dec. 12, so 3 weeks and 5 days roughly. I was just guessing...

Originally Posted by zlojack

That's cool, it's not a huge expense either way, so no big deal. The DIY method is cheaper for someone who wants to bother with it, but at the end of the day, yours aren't overpriced for what goes into them. Just expensive vs. doing it yourself and getting probably the same result.

Don't take what I was saying the wrong way

There is only one coil really required for an average loop as far as I've seen, so one would be very hard pressed to beat the price DIY for a single, or for even two or three coils... as the quantity grows, then so does the benefit of doing these yourself.

I am doing these more as a "cool product", and not a moneymaker, so if anyone wants a large quantity for themselves, then I absolutely encourage DIY.



edit: One more last thing... nothing I make is that mystical or sacred, it is all pretty simple stuff. People buy my products for the same reason I buy an Apogee GT for $40 when I have a fully stocked CNC machine shop at my disposal.

[Ricey]

Silver bullion is cheaper. A one oz bar costs just $19. Its even Naekuh seems to have enjoyed my concept. A ten oz. bar has more surface area than any of that coil crap, and its 99.9997% guaranteed pure.

[iandh]

Originally Posted by Ricey

Silver bullion is cheaper. A one oz bar costs just $19. Its even Naekuh seems to have enjoyed my concept, and called it his. A ten oz. bar has more surface area than any of that coil crap, and its 99.9997% guaranteed pure.

Can you suggest how to install silver bullion into a t-line based system?

[Ricey]

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

[Xilikon]

Originally Posted by Ricey

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

Even with a reservoir, how can you insert them in either a MCRES or a XSPC Reservoir top ? The only reservoir which can get this is the EK reservoirs

[just a noob]

i don't think silver is that hard, you might be able to cut it with a new razor blade

[Eternalightwith]

Maybe someone should design a new pump top with a proprietary pocket to hold your 99.9% silver bar.

Originally Posted by Ricey

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.