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(translated by Google, so beware of some errors
)Hello friends of the wet element, in fact, one could advance already come to the following conclusion: The size is still important! ![]() Now, however, the technique is essential, otherwise all the radiators of this test would be on a level of performance. But first things first: As the reader has already been easily noticed, is what this review to the new Power superclass of the heat exchanger, namely internally for sheeting radiators, for the increasingly popular 140mm fan! This fact is in a relatively quieter background noise while maintaining good cooling performance as the previously so popular for 120mm fan radiators founded. As a rough rule of thumb one can say: A rad fitted with 3 x 140mm radiator fans of the new generation is about the power of a Quadradiator, which is designed for 4 x 120mm fans. Since many case manufacturers have already for some time for 140mm fan designed models in the portfolio, It was only a matter of time, until you can buy suitable heat exchanger for this increase in performance. As the demands and desires of the users are very diverse, I have decided to not only one size in take my test box, but take into account almost all available Radiators for the big fan of! Speaking test field, the ranks of the radiator to be tested are joined by the following models: ![]() Hardware Labs Black Ice SR1 280 ![]() Technical details: Dimensions: 315 x 54 x 153 mm (WxHxD) Material: Copper, brass Color: Black Weight: 1.09 kilograms Connections: 2x G1 / 4 inches Fan Compatibility: 2x 140 mm Fan Mounting: M4 threaded (both ends) Price: about EUR 105 HW Labs Black Ice SR1 420 ![]() Technical details: Dimensions: 459 x 54 x 153 mm (WxHxD) Material: Copper, brass Color: Black Weight: 1.5 kilograms Connections: 2x G1 / 4 inches Fan Compatibility: 3x 140 mm Fan Mounting: M4 threaded (both ends) Price: about EUR 135 HW Labs Black Ice SR1 560 ![]() Technical details: Dimensions: 604 x 54 x 153 mm (WxHxD) Material: Copper, brass Color: Black Weight: 1.94 kilograms Connections: 2x G1 / 4 inches Fan Compatibility: 4x 140 mm Fan Mounting: M4 threaded (both ends) Price: about EUR 180 The company's hardware labs for many years successfully established and offers a wide selection of high quality radiators in many sizes and variations. One feature distinguishes this from all the models: The workmanship is first class! The new SR1 Radis are, fortunately for both 120mm and 140mm fan available from single-to Quadradiator. So far, Black Ice Radiators have been due to their dense fin density rather rapidly rotating fan beyond 800 rpm. optimized and were able to heat from other manufacturers in Europe, especially in the popular low revs hard to argue in comparative tests. This event can now be safely placed with the SR1 series on the file, because with this new radiator series hardware labs now promising products brought to market, which were also optimized, especially for less air flow! A peculiarity is the different distance from the fan blades: On the side without The two threaded connection is down this much larger, which represents a kind of shroud, ie the dead center under the Fan hub is significantly reduced, which leads to better overall performance! Of course I have the fans on both sides assembled to determine the differences. On the page with "Shroud" stood a better fan speed according to the Delta-T Value of max. 0.7-up! In my results tables, I have both the best value, ie, with assembly on the "Shroudside" is used. Like the 480s SR1 Radi, can convince even the models for 140mm. The performance is very good and are processed by the there is currently nothing better on the radiator market. The SR-1 series white at first glance like: the matte black finish is flawless, all threads have been immaculately produced, and the fins have turned out very coarse meshed, so as mentioned below is ideal for slow-spinning fans and accordingly noise! For this test, I was kindly of SR1 560 and SR1 280 of the company www.caseking.de sent. The SR1 420 Model I got from www.ac-shop.de provided. My thanks goes also to Mr. Wilbert Yuque from hardware labs. ![]() Thermochill PA 140.3 Triple Radiator ![]() Specifications: - Color: matte black - G 3 / 8 "connectors - Tank: brass; fins: copper - Weight: about 1.82 kilograms - Dimensions (LxWxH): 480 x 142 x 62mm - Price: about EUR 110 Almost as a living legend, one could describe the radiators in the UK-based company Thermo Chill. In the past, many test victories worldwide have been retracted, but there were also some points for improvement. The finish was sometimes left to be desired at times and some users reported by impurities in the interior, which during flushing of new Rads came to light. Other features of the thermal radiators Churchill are the two connecting thread, which runs in more exotic G 3 / 8 "thread adapter, and can therefore be in most cases a necessity. Furthermore, the so-called hole size for the fan was slightly larger than that of heat exchangers of the competitors, so that one normal Not able to use radiator panels for the Case integration and was dependent on specific panels. The finish is with my pattern out to be much better than it used to in the TC Rads was the case and offers no reason for complaint. At the held in the English language leaflets to rinse with warm water before first use is recommended to to liberate the Rad of any production residues. It was struck directly at the first flush or almost clear water from 140.3 to appear, even at this point was thus improved compared to older models of anything! The 420s Rad from the house can convince Thermo Chill completely in this test of the performance and can be the first place in This radiator size to win for themselves! The only downer at the moment poor availability in Germany was mentioned but in neighboring countries, fortunately, these models during www.highflow.nl and www.it-service.be available! ![]() Magicool Slim Dual 280 MC ![]() Specifications: Material: Copper, brass auricles Dimensions: (L x W x H): 323x142x29mm Connections: G1 / 4 " Weight: about 646g Mountability: from both sides for fan or as a holder Airtight: 8 bar Connection: 2x thread G 1 / 4 inch Fan connecting thread: M3 Price: about EUR 42 Magicool Slim Triple 420 MC ![]() Specifications: Material: Copper, brass auricles Dimensions: (L x W x H): 465x142x29mm Connections: G1 / 4 " Weight: about 860g Mountability: from both sides for fan or as a holder Airtight: 8 bar Connection: 2x thread G 1 / 4 inch Fan connecting thread: M3 Price: about EUR 58 The Magicool radiators out of the house are known for their good performance at a relatively low price. Here and there may miss a thread not be ok, but this one takes as preisleistungsbewusster buyers like to purchase. Also in This test can convince the models of Magicool. From the performance for many applications and has sufficient 3 sizes available. Due to the low mounting depth can the Radis platsparend and unobtrusively in many housing . integrate On the housing market have been some housing available in the Model 280s without the modifications to assemble, more will surely follow soon. ![]() TFC Monsta Lite 420/360 Radiator ![]() From TFC - The Feser Company reached me the prototype of a Monsta Lite radiator. Prototype because of possible changes to the final retail version, which is positive for can affect the performance! The radiator should be out in spring of 2010 with a retail price of approximately EUR 150 in the trade as already come and get the big brother with a comprehensive package accordingly. Thanks to a clever craftmanship there can be mounted both 120mm and 140mm fan, this option so far is unique on the radiator market! Furthermore, the usual 2 G 1 / 4" threaded 2 additional threads on the front the TFC Monsta Lite available, which one at about 10 liters of increased flow and a greater variety The tubing of the heat exchanger brings with it! Even though the "little monster" of the performance is not quite the best in this test field radiators could catch up, so the whole concept could convince yet and is already as large Monsta Radiator will find its fans worldwide! you can extract the technical data from this PDF File: http://www.tfc-xchanger.com/pdf/TFC-X420L.pdf Last but not least, and virtually not competing, I have one as a comparison Dualradiator included in the test with ![]() Specifications: Material: Copper, brass auricles Dimensions: (L x W x H): 273x121x30mm Connections: G1 / 4 " Weight: about 680g Mountability: 8x M3 threaded top (for 2x 120mm fan), 8x M3 threaded bottom (for 2x120mm fan) Airtight: 8 bar Connection: 2x thread G 1 / 4 inch Hole distance: 6 cm Price: about EUR 29 Testsystem / Process: Case: Banchetto 101 Bench Table Board: Gigabyte GA-EX58-Extreme CPU: Intel Core i7-920 @4.2Ghz - 1,40V (Bios Setting) - Bios: F4 RAM: Patriot Viper DIMM Kit 6GB PC3-12800U CL8-8-8-24 Gfx card: EVGA GTX 295 (not included for this comparison!) Netzteil / PSU: Xilence SPS-XP850.XQ.R2 CPU Waterblock: Watercool Heatkiller 3.0 Nickel Edition NB Waterblock: Mips Fusionblock Control Unit: Aquaero VFD Flow Sensor: Aqua Computer Highflow Thermal Compound: Gelid Extreme Pump: Laing Ultra (FuFuFuFuFuFuFuFu PMP400 Deckel) Pump Noise Absorber: Noise Destructor V1.1 Tubing: Feser/DD 16/10mm 2x CPC 9,5mm Metal Ausgleichsbehälter: Alphacool Cyclone 250 Tempsensors: 3x Inline +1x in Res. Wasserzusatz: Feser One Fertigmischung UV Clear/Blue Fittings: Perfect Seal + Bitspower Fans used: Noiseblocker Black Silent Pro PK2 + PK3 (PL2 on Magicool Slim 240) To fill the CPU is Prime95 (small FFT's) used in the latest version, to measure the Temperatures / record came aquasuite used. The temperature measurements were made after the earliest 60 min and then in 5 intervals, a 5 minutes. In my testing, the most interesting value of the difference (delta T) is the temperature of water at the outlet of the radiator. This figure shows the cooling capacity of the radiator, into which you can see, can take advantage of how well the radiator to cool the inside temperature of the water. The smaller this difference turns out, the stronger the performance of the radiator. The results will be visible to the interested user at a glance, so I will confine myself in addition to the flow of that value in the different fan speeds. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Difference (delta T) from room temperature to water temperature) (a low score is better) Flowrate Liter / hour Conclusion: 80mm fan in the case sector were until a few years, Standard, this was followed by the hitherto popular 120mm fans and so it is really just a matter of time until those from the 140mm previously rather rarer still used by representatives of its Species to be replaced. More and more manufacturers are adopting this fan size and rightly so. In this test, the radiators has been shown that the development goes on, fortunately more power and less noise. During all sorts of annoying noises of everyday life, this is very commendable, they nevertheless give latest processors and graphics cards quietly and cool more effectively. A clear recommendation for a radiator model could be due to different needs and requirements not naturally inclined to express the water cooler. In the upper performance range Thermo Chill and Hardwarelabs have impressively demonstrated, where the bar is located at radiator of this size at this time. The heat exchanger can be of Feser equip themselves with fans conveniently in 2 sizes, advantageous for many around and intermediates, which are the costs of Save the purchase of new 140mm fans want first. Are a good idea at this point, the additional threads called at the front of the radiator. As might be expected to have the Magicool Rads again as price-performance assert winner in this test. Here and there a thread was not cut 100% and the build quality is noticeably behind the Black Ice SR1 series, but due to the comparatively low price and the offered services, these radiators definitely worth a recommendation for the budget-conscious users. Who the best synthesis of performance and outstanding Processing is looking, just come by to SR1 radiators manufacturer Hardwarelabs not. Very impressive is especially Proved 560s exchanger, which means pure performance. High-end PC systems with 2 video cards can be with this model cool very well - the performance has to be even before that of a Mora 2 Pro's Monsterradis not hide! One can only wonder what will bring us this 140mm radiators and other manufacturers in the future, a very good beginning has been made! Hardwarelabs was sort of a pioneer, as far as radiators in this size, so the GT and GTX versions available for some time. As these models, primarily for high-speed and high Fans Air flow shall be designed, I did not apply to voting in this test. If available, I will review these with other radiators for complementary 140mm fan! Many Thanks for supporting my Review goes to the following companies: www.a-c-shop.de , www.alphacool.com , www.mips-computer.de , www.caseking.de , www.magicool.biz, www.feser-one.com , www.gelidsolutions.com , www.laing.de , www.hardwarelabs.com , www.watercool.de , www.thermochill.com , www.highflow.nl , www.it-service.be , www.xilence.de , www.noiseblocker.de
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WeakSauce
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Great review Bundy. I never realised that Magicool performed so well at low RPM's :O.
If it's flowrate wasn't that terrible, I'd consider it .
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Another Awesome Review by Bundy
Keep it up mate
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this is awsome m8! really really well review and really shows why some radiators performs great with different fans!
this is everything one could ask for in a radiator review!
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Thanks guys !
My next Review will follow until end of december...and many more next year (BP Vincent: yes, also the gpu block roundup, pls be patient)
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Oww, next review? What can we expect?
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i have 5 or 6 unfinished reviews on my to-do list and 3 new are planed
Well well...much work to do - i think, next will be the cpu waterblock comparison update, or quad radiator update oooorrrr smart motion flow check against mips/ek/anfitec...i dunno yet...must think about what´s most important and most interesting for you users out there worldwidebtw: i released this 140mm rad comparison in 15 forums worldwide (7 countries) so far, my fingers hurts now i need forum links from france, australia and poland, where i can release my reviews too !
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Great review bundy!
Are those noiseblocker PK-3 fans? In your flowrate graph you have two different results for the monsta light... I dont think having 120 or 140mm fans would affect the flow rate ![]() Pitty you couldnt include a GTX in the line up.
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Because of higher water temp when using the 120mm Model (PL2) the flowrate is a bit higher. you can test it
for yourself, when using fans via adapter @5V and @12V e.g. full speed. there´s a difference between 5-10 liter, depends on the used rad. i have only the german wikipedia link about "Ausdehnung des Wassers, abhängig von der Wassertemperatur" (translate it if you like hehe ) I used PK3 ´s for 1400 and 1700 RPM, and the PK2´s for lower fanspeed I have 2 of those older Black Ice GT and GTX 280 Rads in my collection, but i decide to test only the newer ones, because most users already know, that they performs only good above 1000 RPM - for most users in europe, that´s a no-go for using fans above 800 RPM on an radiator, so the new SR1 series is very welcome here
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![]() Do you know what the coolant temperatures were in those two tests?
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i can search for the Aquaero logfile within the next days, maybe i haven´t deleted
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Thanks for the nice review, it's appreciated
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Thanks for the review and the hard work that went into it !
Always great to see some hard numbers ! |
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I really would have liked to see some 140.x GTX radiators thrown in here, as that would allow those of us who already have 140.x GTX rads (myself and Ballz0r to start with) to compare the performance of 140.x GTX rads vs 140.x SR-1 rads... |
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thanks for the review....lots of rads..only one thing interests me.... THE FANS! LOL i want one pk3 1700 ![]() **********any plans getting a two 300 w heaters? they'll be constant heat for the loop Last edited by Hondacity; 12-08-2009 at 07:52 PM. |
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@Hondacity: i may can arrange those fantastic NB fans for you, when you´re willing to make an review in some well known forums / review sites !
PN me.nope, i have no plans to organize heaters, i prefer test setups, like many users have for themself at home, so they can easily check my results if they want.
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Hello Guys, here is my brandnew update for you - now there are 16 rads in this review. Sry, i had no time to translate it, so please use an online translator or just check the result charts. Thanks for reading
![]() Update 25.03.10: Folgende Radiatoren befinden sich nun ebenfalls in diesem großen Testvergleich: ![]() Phobya Xtreme 280: ![]() Nachdem die Phobya Radis für 120mm Lüfter bereits seit einiger Zeit erhältlich sind, folgen nun die größeren Brüder f. 140mm Lüfter Für diesen Test stand mir ein Vorserienmodell zur Verfügung, welches bis auf das fehlende Zubehör bereits dem Serienmodell entspricht. Wie schon bei den Modellen für 120mm Lüfter, gibt es auch hier sowohl an der Front- als auch auf dem Wärmetauscher je 2x G 1/4" Gewinde, um entsprechende Anschlüsse verwenden zu können. Die Gewinde an der Stirnseite bringen einen kleinen Durchflussvorteil mit sich. Auf der Rückseite befindet sich eine Entlüftungsschraube, welche sich bei vertikalem Betrieb als nützlich erweisen kann. Ingesamt weiß der Phobya 280 Radiator zu gefallen, die Verarbeitung ist gut und die Leistung ansprechend ! Dieses Radimodell entspricht in etwa der Leistung eines Tripleradis f. 120mm Lüfter. Der Kaufpreis liegt bei angemessenen 60 Euro. Technische Daten: Material: Kupferlamellen, Vorkammern aus Messing Farbe: komplett Matt Schwarz Abmaße: (L x B x H): 338x145x60mm Anschlüsse: G1/4" Gewicht: ca. 1454g Montierbarkeit: von beiden Seiten für Lüfter oder als Halterung Gewindegröße Schrauben: M3 Lüftergröße: 2x 140mm Druckgetestet: 2 Bar Sonstiges: Entlüftungsschraube Lieferumfang: 1x Radiator 8x M3x30mm Schrauben 2x Entkopplung 2x schwarze Verschlussschrauben Als weiteren Phobya Radiator stand mir folgendes Modell zur Verfügung: Der Radiator ist brandneu auf dem Markt und seit heute bei Aquatuning.de für knapp 60 EUR erhältlich ! Speziell für Gehäuse mit Einbaumöglichkeit für "Monsterlüfter" wurde dieser Wärmetauscher entwickelt, natürlich lässt er sich auch extern betreiben und bietet aufgrund der 4x G 1/4" Anschlussgewinde viele Optionen zur Verschlauchung. Durch die 2 mitgelieferten Blenden, lassen sich eine große Anzahl von Lüftern der Größe 180mm - 220mm auf diesem Radi montieren ! Für den Test kam ein Coolermaster 200mm Lüfter zum Einsatz, welcher einen guten Luftdurchsatz und gleichzeitig leisen Betrieb gestattet. Der eingesetzte Lüfter läuft mit max. 700 U/Min. Da es noch keinen weiteren Radiator dieser Größe gibt, habe ich mich dazu entschlossen, dieses Modell hier aufzunehmen. So hat man eine Vorstellung, wo sich dieser neue Radi leistungsmässig einordnet. Der Lamellenabstand ist groß genug, um auch mit relativ wenig Luftdurchsatz eine gute Leistung zu bieten. Technische Daten: Material: Kupferlamellen, Vorkammern aus Messing Farbe: komplett Matt Schwarz Abmaße: (L x B x H): 479x145x60mm Anschlüsse: G1/4" Gewicht: ca. 1976g Montierbarkeit: von beiden Seiten für Lüfter oder als Halterung Gewindegröße Schrauben: M3 Lüftergröße: 1x 180-225mm Druckgetestet: 2 Bar Sonstiges: Entlüftungsschraube Lieferumfang: 1x Radiator 4x M3x30mm Schrauben 4x M3x5mm Schrauben 2x Lüfterblenden 2x schwarze Verschlussschrauben ![]() ![]() Von FuFuFuFuFuFuFuFu erreichten mich 3 Radiatoren für diesen Test. Wer sich die Bilder näher ansieht, wird erkennen, das die Radis die Handschrift von Hardwarelabs tragen. Die Modelle sind für 1-3 Lüfter im 140mm Format ausgelegt. Die Verarbeitung ist tadellos und die Leistung ab 800 U/Min. ist auch im grünen Bereich. Ein durchdachtes Feature ist der Schutz unter den Schraubenlöchern. Wenn man irrtümlich zu lange Schrauben verwendet, beugt eine kleine Metallplatte der Zerstörung des Radiators vor ! (auf dem 2. Bild in der 2. Reihe ersichtlich) Bei Anschlüssen mit sehr langem Gewinde kann es vorkommen, das Gewindeverlängerungen notwendig sind, diese liegen den Radiatoren im Lieferumfang bei. Technische Details des 1x 140mm Modells: Material: Kupferlamellen & Messingrohre Anschlussgröße: 1/4" Abmaße: (B x H x L): 13,3cm x 3cm x 17,1cm Lüftergewindegröße: M4 Gewicht: 794g Lieferumfang: 1x Radiator 4x M4x32mm Kreuz-Linsenkopfschrauben Technische Details des 280er Modells: Material: Kupferlamellen & Messingrohre Anschlussgröße: 1/4" Abmaße: (B x H x L): 15,3cm x 3cm x 31,6cm Lüftergewindegröße: M4 Gewicht: 726g Lieferumfang: 1x Radiator 8x M4x32mm Kreuz-Linsenkopfschrauben Technische Details der 420er Version: Material: Kupferlamellen & Messingrohre Anschlussgröße: 1/4" Abmaße: (B x H x L): 15,3cm x 3cm x 46cm Lüftergewindegröße: M4 Gewicht: 1kg Lieferumfang: 1x Radiator 12x M4x32mm Kreuz-Linsenkopfschrauben Die 3 FuFuFuFuFuFuFuFu Radis sind in Deutschland zu Preisen zwischen 50 EUR und 75 EUR erhältlich ![]() Die Firma Aquacomputer.de, bekannt durch viele innovative und erfolgreiche Produkte, schickt ihren neuesten Vertreter aus der Radiatoren Abteilung ins Rennen: den Airplex Revolution 360/420 ! Die Bezeichnung lässt bereits die Besonderheit dieses Wärmetauschers erahnen: es lassen sich sowohl 3x 120mm- als auch 140mm Lüfter verbauen, wobei jeweils eine Seite für die entsprechende Lüftergröße ausgelegt ist. Für Auf- und Umsteiger der beliebten 360er Radis, die bereits den üblichen Ausschnitt im Gehäuse besitzen, ist dieser Radiator also eine besonders gute Wahl, da man nicht direkt erneut das Gehäuse modifizieren muss. Der Preis von knapp 80 EUR geht angesichts der gebotenen Leistung und Features in Ordnung. Es befinden sich beidseitig je 2x G 1/4" Gewinde in der Vorkammer. Denkbar sind also u.a. Radi Sandwiches, oder einfach die Befüllung über eine dieser Öffnungen, als eine Art Fillport. So kann man sich den sonst notwendigen Ausgleichsbehälter im Kreislauf sparen. Eine passende Radiblende mit zusätzlichem Ausschnitt wird von Aquacomputer bereit gehalten. Sauer aufstoßen lässt mich die Tatsache, das sich keinerlei Lüfterschrauben im Lieferumfang befinden und kein Inbusschlüssel, um die 2 Edelstahlinlay auf der Seite f. 120mm Lüfter zu montieren. Dies ist bei halb so teuren Radiatoren eine Selbstverständlichkeit, oftmals sogar in 2 Längen. Die Lackierung meines Testmusters weist an einigen Stellen Unebenheiten auf, ferner sind die Lamellenreihen teils etwas verschoben. Natürlich ist dieser Aspekt eher zweitrangig, da man dies im verbauten Zustand kaum bis gar nicht sieht. Der Radiator wurde in Deutschland entwickelt und laut Aquacomputer wird er auch hier produziert. Der Preis ist dahingehend gut ! Hardware Labs Black ICE Radiator SR1 140 ![]() Technische Details: [list][*]Maße: 171 x 54 x 153 mm (BxHxT)[*]Material: Kupfer, Messing[*]Farbe: Schwarz[*]Gewicht: 680 g[*]Anschlüsse: 2x G1/4 Zoll[*]Lüfterkompatibilität: 1x 140 mm[*]Lüfterbefestigung: M4 Gewinde (beidseitig)[*]Preis: ca. 75 EUR Testergebnisse: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Differenz (delta T) von der Raumtemperatur zur Wassertemperatur) (ein niedriger Wert ist besser) Durchflusswerte / Flowrate ![]() Liter / Stunde
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Wickman St.
Join Date: May 2009
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Thanks for the update, Bundy.
![]() You still don't have the Mo-Ra 3 (WC140MR3-20415)? Anxious to see what the 140.9 can do against these tiny rads. |
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Man, that phobia 200 is so sick. Where is that for sale? if its even for sale yet haha.
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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The new Phobya Rads are available since yesterday @Aquatuning
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Black Ice SR series is still rocking!
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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Where can I buy a SR-1 in Canada or USA?
I wonder if Gary will get them...
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As for the 140.x ones, last I checked, Danger Den had them up on their site. If your choice is between DD and HFS, then I'd recommend buying through DD.
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FUCK YOU!
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you ought to add the MSRP of the rads in the specs because im lazy and dont want to look. but hey at least I admit it. me wants a nice bigun rad!
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