The Great Primochill Typhoon III tests, an absolute SCAM

[bluehaze]

Originally Posted by grumpy

http://www.overclock.net/6769177-post36.html
Here is an awesome post from Warfarin88 over at OCN questioning the test.

Yea that's a good post, conventional wisdom says if you stick a Y on the end of a detroit top it will put out not only the same but better numbers because it has better numbers in the single loop config. Now you split your loop in two and right off the bat the detroit is @ 2.8gpm with the restriction of every block in the loop. Now as long as you have two seperate loops going back into the res (No bottleneck going back into a Y before the res) the only restriction between the two loops is the individual components in the loops so you will get higher flow through the loops because now instead of running through 2 rads a cpu and a gpu you now have one loop only restricted by a cpu and a rad and another only restricted by a gpu and rad.

So your flow rate should naturally go up just as if you removed a rad and cpu from a conventional loop or vice versa for the other loop.

[saike]

Originally Posted by iandh

edit Wow, that post is more than awesome, it is FUCKING EXCELLENT.

I personally like the "fruit salad" pic myself

[RedRaider]

Guys, with parallel loops always remember, water will follow the path of least resistance. Meaning water will flow at different velocities in the two sub-loops. either with the "Holy Grail" T3 or some half-ass "Y" setup.

Not only that, your mixing the heated chipset/GPU water (which who the fuck cares how high the temps are) with the CPU water (which most of us want to keep as cool as possible). In my humble opinion, this Primoshill Typhoon 3 D5 Barbie Doll Reservoir Top is taking watercooling backwards a few steps rather than forward. Anyone who honestly states otherwise is proving their own ignorance.

This whole idea of running parallel loops is for the "lower level of watercooling", that this site in particular does not care to cater to. Sorry if that offends anyone, but this place was founded on pushing this hobby to it's limits, which this abomination clearly does not do. Some fucked up mass marketing scam isn't ever going to fly on this forum. This I guarantee you.

Let those faggot ass KoolAid guzzlers on XS experience their soon to be widely known epic failure. They sure as fuck deserve it.

[iandh]

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Stop talking and start producing. Ideas in your head but not in our hands are worthless. You have access to people who can get things done (RRR). If your designs are great I am sure BP will partner with you or buy them from you. Geno put up his money and time to get his designs into production. Joel did not sit on his arse and whine about XS at other forums . . .he created his own community. Stop being so pissed and do something worthwhile about it. If I had an eighth of the ability a NASA dude does I would be rolling in the dough.

Dude, I'm not pissed about Geno designing an innovative product, I'm pissed about him acting like he's the first person who has ever looked at the efficiency curves of pumps, and he's the first person that has ever realized there's more than one one way to get water into a pump inlet... I'm pissed that he claims that all watercooling innovations that follow will be following HIM. That is just plain self-serving BS, sorry.

How often do you see me going around tooting my own horn and self-promoting like this? Not very fucking often, except when it is specifically for the purpose of making a point.

This is the same thing as when you acted like I was pissed that I hadn't gotten on MDPC in the 467th thread about that annoying-ass edelweiss mod. I was speaking about the hundreds of awesome mods that get passed by with little fanfare and how disproportionate the amount of fanfare that mod was getting, and yet you act as if I am personally upset that Zodiac wasn't included? Zodiac is a fucking joke compared to what I am really capable of, and TBH I don't really have time to show it, being that I have my day-job and the million side projects I have going at any time take most of it up. Not to mention which, I could give a shit less about MDPC and MurderMod and that whole entire pretentious movement, in fact I don't want myself associated with it in any way.

As far as getting things done, I would consider the fact that I've sold 2000+ sets of ramsinks and 500+ killcoils, 200+ radgrilles in my spare time hobby as plenty of indication that I can get shit done.

The reason my pump top design is on the back burner is that I have other projects I consider more important to deal with atm, a giant pile of them in fact. The reason I find other things more important is that I don't find a 20% increase in flow to really be that big of a deal, as I said before the number one limitations to loop performance (assuming adequate flow) are heat load and dissipative area.

I'm more into aesthetics and convenience products, which is why I still have some good things to say about the T3... what I don't like, and the reason I seem pissed (which in reality is actually frustration) is the way it is being marketed, and the way Geno is presenting himself. I don't know the guy, I've heard good things about him, but I just don't like some of the things I've seen him type in the last 24hrs.




As far as NASA ability = money, things just don't work that way. My current project partner has a Ph.D in Space Plasma Physics, the poor fucker makes like $60k a year. Smart doesn't necessarily equal successful, nor does it equal a desire for success.

I have a fucked up shoulder from a car accident when I was 14, so I work limited hours at my day job and have a limited amount of energy to devote to my side business and prototyping. I take my life at a slow pace, stop and smell the roses, and enjoy leading a spartan existence without the burdens of wealth and success that I know I could easily gain if I had the desire to do so. The older I get, the more concerned I am about spending time with friends and loved ones (much like with RRR and his son), and only my true spare time goes to things like "getting something done".




I really like you dude, but I think you're getting me wrong here...

[frieten]

i was waiting for it to hit the forums over at OCAU, we aussies arnt as dumb as the rest luckily but im still sad at this whole fcking thing. i can't believe the review spamming going on. seriously fcking wrong.

[nikhsub1]

I think we all just need to take a step back for a second. This product is not anything that the hardcore user would run. I don't want to say much about the testing at this point as when I open my mouth I tend to get in trouble. This will hopefully be a very big lesson for skinnee. Without measuring flowrates of each loop simultaneously there is nothing left to really say.

[iandh]

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I think we all just need to take a step back for a second. This product is not anything that the hardcore user would run. I don't want to say much about the testing at this point as when I open my mouth I tend to get in trouble. This will hopefully be a very big lesson for skinnee. Without measuring flowrates of each loop simultaneously there is nothing left to really say.

Wise advice.

[RedRaider]

Originally Posted by bluehaze

I can agree with that, thats the worst part about this product, it's pointless to even run dual loops with it as it is going to make 0 difference in temps. Heck it might even make them worse which is why i'm sure no temps were posted with the review. I mean I never would have even took a second look at this thing if it wasn't for all the "Revolutionary new product" "Going to change watercooling forever" talk that was going on.

I mean it's convenient for someone just getting started sure but this has just gotten out of control lol

I totally agree with you.

I have thought this "whatever the fuck you want to call it" was a joke the first time I saw it. I feel the same way about the XSPC Dual DDC/Common Bay Reservoir Dohicky. At least the T3 is for a single pump, the XSPC is a waste of two pumps. Make a TRUE dual loop bay reservoir pump top, with separate cavities and I'll consider looking into it. But this whole parallel loop garbage is bullshit. Fuck, this to me is like just going ahead and running CPU/2x GPU/ 2x Mosfets/NB-SB on a single 120.1 radiator powered by a DB-1. Give me a fucking break.

It must be glorious to live in such utter ignorance...

[bluehaze]

Yea I need to quit talking about this thinig lol it get's the blood boiling...whoops deleted that post Red sorry

[RedRaider]

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I think we all just need to take a step back for a second. This product is not anything that the hardcore user would run. I don't want to say much about the testing at this point as when I open my mouth I tend to get in trouble. This will hopefully be a very big lesson for skinnee. Without measuring flowrates of each loop simultaneously there is nothing left to really say.

I agree, to an extent. I just have to make sure that when the kind of Mass-Bullshit Campaigns are beginning to roll, this forum will always be the one to call them out. It's why we exist.

I'm pretty much done, just need to work on the post I promised UTnorfag I'd produce

[iandh]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

I agree, to an extent. I just have to make sure that when the kind of Mass-Bullshit Campaigns are beginning to roll, this forum will always be the one to call them out. It's why we exist.

I'm pretty much done, just need to work on the post I promised UTnorfag I'd produce

I agree with what nicksub1 said because we can't really say anything that hasn't been said already until we see some more/different testing done. Although I must admit a good bitch-fit is quite refreshing. Those claiming that being upset and venting raises your BP obviously have never practiced it regularly.

[RedRaider]

I am just still in utter disbelief that no one and I mean no one, is discussing the temp problem inherent with a dual loop/shared reservoir/ parallel setup??

Or the acknowledgment that water will follow the path of least resistance and therefore it defies physics for it to increase flow +200% ??

[iandh]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

I am just still in utter disbelief that no one and I mean no one, is discussing the temp problem inherent with a dual loop/shared reservoir/ parallel setup??

Or the acknowledgment that water will follow the path of least resistance and therefore it defies physics for it to increase flow +200% ??

True, I'm having trouble understanding that as well. The watercooling world I used to know would have torn that one to shreds.

[DarthBeavis]

Originally Posted by iandh

I really like you dude, but I think you're getting me wrong here...

I think alot of us get each other wrong which is part of why I came back here.

Everything in Texas is bigger . . .Joel, Geno, etc. LOL. I personally want MORE tests and numbers as much as anyone. I like the reservoir more from a convenience perspective myself (I have been experimenting with manifold systems with poor success for a while now). I prefer D5s to DDCS (have had way too many DDCS give up the ghost but never had a D5 die on me thus far and they are adjustable to boot). I wish I could have a BP D5 cover with the T3 reservoir.

[DarthBeavis]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

I am just still in utter disbelief that no one and I mean no one, is discussing the temp problem inherent with a dual loop/shared reservoir/ parallel setup??

Or the acknowledgment that water will follow the path of least resistance and therefore it defies physics for it to increase flow +200% ??

Hopefully your tests will address this thoroughly.

[kinghong1970]

Originally Posted by RedRaider

Warfarin88 is fucking brilliant...
...

i like his style...

speak softly and carry a big stick... er... bowl of fruit salad...

[iandh]

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I think alot of us get each other wrong which is part of why I came back here.

Everything in Texas is bigger . . .Joel, Geno, etc. LOL. I personally want MORE tests and numbers as much as anyone. I like the reservoir more from a convenience perspective myself (I have been experimenting with manifold systems with poor success for a while now). I prefer D5s to DDCS (have had way too many DDCS give up the ghost but never had a D5 die on me thus far and they are adjustable to boot). I wish I could have a BP D5 cover with the T3 reservoir.

Yeah, that's part of the reason I came back here as well.

As I said before, I like the T3 for what it does well, I just don't like the angle everyone is looking at it from.

[RedRaider]

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I think alot of us get each other wrong which is part of why I came back here.

Everything in Texas is bigger . . .Joel, Geno, etc. LOL. I personally want MORE tests and numbers as much as anyone. I like the reservoir more from a convenience perspective myself (I have been experimenting with manifold systems with poor success for a while now). I prefer D5s to DDCS (have had way too many DDCS give up the ghost but never had a D5 die on me thus far and they are adjustable to boot). I wish I could have a BP D5 cover with the T3 reservoir.

lol...QFT

D5 ?? DDC ?? I didn't know you still played with barbie's... lol

Of all people DB, I would have thought you would have seen the light and at least tried the ALMIGHTY Iwaki RD-30...

You want to talk about a pump... My "Ghetto Cruncher" that I'm posting from right now is the most restrictive loop you would ever want to throw at a pump. (eVGA 780i MB)

EK RES400 / EK Supreme / BP NB-SB / 2x BP Mosfets / 2x VJ GPU / 2x PA120.3

This fucking beast I'm running isn't even breaking a sweat. Does the "Holy Grail" T3 cause 1/2' x 3/4" tubing to swell in a loop? My RD-30 does in the loop I laid out for you above You see the RD-30 provides uber flow as well as uber pressure. I like to have oodles of both...

That T3 test is utter shit and it's real easy to see. I'm impressed that they tried to use simple addition that my son learned in kindergarten to sway the masses Now that I think about it, Geno/Skinnee/Vapor deserve a little credit for their attempted scam. It is readily apparent that it is working on the lesser minds.

[DarthBeavis]

That Iwaki RD-30 is a flippen beast for sure. If it has that much pressure I would be afraid it would blow out the fins on a radiator.

[RedRaider]

nah, nikhsub1 can chime in, heck he was one of the first (if not the first) to introduce the watercooling community to the pump. It is more tame then some make it out to be. But it is absolutely absurd to place a single/dual D5's or single/dual DDC's in the same category. Even more absurd to say a single D5 in a parallel loop is the "poor man's" RD-30...

This has been the issue all day, if they simply would have done this in a MUCH more professional and legitimate way, none of this would have happened. Alas, it did and I've enjoyed it.

Hey Nikhsub1, I have something brewing for the RD-30 that I know you are going to like.

[nikhsub1]

Heh, I was the first to procure an RD-30, I actually bought 3 of them for $100 each BRAND NEW. Here i was awed in November of 2004 with this beast, i could water my yard with this beotch!



The RD-30 does not have enough pressure to burst or even expand the tubes in a rad. My last argument over at XS was over pressure drop and how the pressure drops with each part in the loop, meaning the first item right after the pump receives the most pressure while the last part receives the least. Of course there were some nitwits who thought otherwise and really annoyed me. Anyhow, the RD-30 at 18v is the best pump money can buy, period end of story. Mine is not in use right now but i never dare get rid of it. Just because this is my favorite smiley im gonna use it

[MomijiTMO]

Originally Posted by ballz0r

lol.... the way he describes it makes him sound like an ass, but technically he is close to right, just the fucked up way he describes it makes me think the info is second hand, and he doesnt really understand it.

pressure drop is exponentially proportional to flow rate

So if you split the restriction across two loops your gona end up with a higher flow rate overall than trying to shove it all through one high flow loop

nothing to do with harmonics tho... this is an example of a harmonics problem "if vapour turns his ass vibrator to speed 7 and hums the note C.... will fuggers head explode?"

I finally found this thread and died at this post.

Look the review is simply shit. No way. No. No Never. Nope. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

I'm waiting for some better test results. Skinny has some decent reviews but this is the lowest of the low. Sorry. Not a chance.

[RedRaider]

ha, funny you mentioned pressure loss after each component in the loop, nikhsub1. I believe I remember that thread, of course I was unable to post in it

I can attest to what you are saying. In my RD-30 set-up I am barely able to squeeze in the tubing from the pump to the EK Supreme. Then as the loop continues, it becomes easier and easier to compress the tubing. I am not some engineer, but my 10 year old can preform this simple test and has. You were spot on my friend, spot on

I run mine between 21V-22V, atm.

When I'm finished brewing what I'm planning, I'll send you a little something for your RD-30 Nikhsub1.

**shh this is one of my personal fav smileys as well***

[MomijiTMO]

We know it's your favourite Red, along with the arse smilie .

He has posted a review at OCAU which has a tiny wc user base.


THIS IS THE BIGGEST WC'ING MARKETING JOB EVER.

[nikhsub1]

Aww, you just made me find this, one of the first MM's made

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...d.php?t=192980