Fits External Water Cooling Rig

[Fitseries3]

i need help getting this idea out of my head.

i want this case to be for water cooling components only. no PC will be in the case at all.

i want the 2 rads up front side by side in a vertical orientation. (2 560GTX's)

the dimensions i know that i need are ...

26" tall X 12" deep x 16" wide

i need to be able to mount the following inside....

2 iwaki rd30's, 2 ek250 res's, 2 hw labs 560 GTX's, 3 meanwell psu's, 16 fans(possibly)

im thinking about using 2 or 3 large fans to pull air through the case. this would probably save a good bit of money and be easier in the long run. possibly 2 or 3 220cfm pelko's but idk.

thats all i KNOW. what else should i know? can you guys help me figure this out a little better? perhaps someone can draw this up for me?

[RedRaider]

26" height, huh...

You'll have to get BEN to make a "custom" case. That will cost more :money: :money: :money:

[Fitseries3]

i already talked to him about it and he said $40 a panel.

[utnorris]

Either have Ben build it or do it yourself. I don't know your skill level so you might just want Ben to do it for you.

[Fitseries3]

i can do it myself but im considering getting a MM case this time around.

[RedRaider]

Are the radiators 16" wide?

Could you kindly provide the dimensions of the radiators.

MM Ascension - 24"h x 18"w x 18"d
MM Extended Ascension - 34"h x 18"w x 24"d

I highly suggest you consider the MM Extended Ascension, you'll probably need four custom panels at the minimum.

[Fitseries3]

156mm x 605mm x 53mm is what HW labs says for a single rad.

[RedRaider]

So the dimensions in English would be;

23.8"l x 6.1"w x 2.1"d

Let me think on this...

[Fitseries3]

a few crap pics of my idea...

idk if i will do fan holes or cut the whole section out for the rads

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=147&stc=1&d=1229830613


here's the back. i was thinking of useing 3 or 4 large high cfm fans

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=148&stc=1&d=1229830613


more pics...

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=149&stc=1&d=1229830613
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=150&stc=1&d=1229830613

[bigslappy]

u would be better off using a squirrel cage blower out the back with the blower in the box as it would draw the air in thru the rads & exit out the back , ya would get more CFM for yer buck ...some of them blowers are quite too ! like the ones in a home furnace .......

[Fitseries3]

dont have the room man. :(

[Fitseries3]

pics of my old setup that this will replace...

i know it looks kinda shitty but i have already started dismantling it.

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=151&stc=1&d=1229831110

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=152&stc=1&d=1229831110

[utnorris]

So same concept, just taller then. Easy enough.

[Fitseries3]

rads mounted on the flat front(or in this case side, the widest one) not as pictured.

[Fitseries3]

i want the whole thing enclosed too... so the fans can pull air through the case.

[Fitseries3]

this is more like the concept of what im thinking of doing...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7250/kollkube014vl5.jpg



the fan pulls air through the rads and out the top. i'd be using several large fans though.

what do you think?

[Fitseries3]

anyone have any input?

how many cfm's you think the 2 rads need?

[Chicken Patty]

Hey Fit, we meet again :)

I really can't think of what you wanna do, I mean I know what you are describing, but I dont know who will sell something like that, either you can have one Made or do it yourself. Other than that I dont know what to tell you dude.

[Fitseries3]

welcome to RRR CP!

[Chicken Patty]

welcome to RRR CP!

Thanks dude, finally got around to joining. So what ideas have you been able to mock up there so far? You said you spoke with Ben for $40 a panel, what else?

[Fitseries3]

i think after discussing it with the guys here on RRR i have decided to make my own. i have all the tools and skillz to do it so thats not a problem.

really i just need to figure out some of the finer details like the CFM needed to cool the rads.

i have never had a HW labs rad so i dont know any of their characteristics. i was hoping a HWlabs owner would chime in but no one has really answered any of my questions yet.

[Chicken Patty]

i think after discussing it with the guys here on RRR i have decided to make my own. i have all the tools and skillz to do it so thats not a problem.

really i just need to figure out some of the finer details like the CFM needed to cool the rads.

i have never had a HW labs rad so i dont know any of their characteristics. i was hoping a HWlabs owner would chime in but no one has really answered any of my questions yet.

Thanks. Yeah I dont think anybody will make what you want how you will. Do it yourself take your time, and get it exactly how you want it :) Are you going to be cooling only one rig with this?

[Fitseries3]

cpu and nb on the i7 rig (for now)

[Chicken Patty]

cpu and nb on the i7 rig (for now)

cool. Fit if you don't mind discussing what temps are you getting now with the Thermochills, and how do you have them configured. I mean i'm sure temps will improve, but do you really need them to improve, how are they now?

[Fitseries3]

temps are fine at idle. under load however they top out in the 70-80c range.

the problem is more that over time the water temps rise far above ambient and the rads are hot to the touch. the water at the cpu block comming in is ~34c and the temps going into the rad(from the cpu) is ~41C so the block is effectively removing the heat, the rads just cant pull the heat from the water efficiently enough.

all this is at 4ghz+ on the i7 920 + x58 NB

[Chicken Patty]

temps are fine at idle. under load however they top out in the 70-80c range.

the problem is more that over time the water temps rise far above ambient and the rads are hot to the touch. the water at the cpu block comming in is ~34c and the temps going into the rad(from the cpu) is ~41C so the block is effectively removing the heat, the rads just cant pull the heat from the water efficiently enough.

all this is at 4ghz+ on the i7 920 + x58 NB

Thanks FIT. Thats weird though, however it could be that your NB puts out a lot of heat.

Right now i'm using a 120.1 rad that I had bought from Binge because I was going to use it for my Phenom which with that rad it is more than enough, that CPU doesn't put out lot of heat. But i decided to just try it out on the i7 and I idle low to mid 40's and max out at 75 ºc under full load on prime. single fan rad push and pull. You think its the radiatros to blame though, can it be mabye you need a stronger pump or something? You do have the gTZ just like me right for CPU block?

[Fitseries3]

i have a VERY stong pump. just ask the other iwaki owners here on RRR. we have a whole forum dedicated to them. :)

GTZ

NB-MAX

both swiftech

[Chicken Patty]

i have a VERY stong pump. just ask the other iwaki owners here on RRR. we have a whole forum dedicated to them. :)

GTZ

NB-MAX

both swiftech

Im assuming its maybe the fact of having the NB in there then?

By the way, let me go check out those iwaki pumps, I hear you talking about them too much lol.

[Fitseries3]

an update here....

got the skeleton built. i'll get the lexan/plexy tomorrow.

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=198&stc=1&d=1230253836


fans will be mounted to the back of the enclosure and pull air through the rads and out the back. the whole rig will be covered in plexy.

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=199&stc=1&d=1230253874

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=200&stc=1&d=1230253916

[Xilikon]

If the temp rise to 70-80C, radiator surface is definitely not enough.

[Chicken Patty]

good going fit, starting to look good already. Can't wait to see it start coming together. :)

[Fitseries3]

here's how im keeping the noise down...

insulation between the alu and plexi...

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=201&stc=1&d=1230263836



i just cant think of a good way to mount the plexi now.

any ideas?

[Xilikon]

A way to mount the plexy without having the mounting hardware transmit vibrations ?

[Cutless009]

1" rivets are your answer sir.

[Fitseries3]

yes. basically the only idea i have come up with is to make a whole outer shell out of plexi that doesnt even touch the inner alu skeleton. i have TONs of insulation though so it will be very quiet no matter how i build it. rivets may work if i can get long enough ones.

[Chicken Patty]

I was wondering myself, wouldn't that setup be super loud, but then you posted the pic of the insulation and it kinda just answered my question :)

[Fitseries3]

the black stuff underneath is som scrap insulation from a local shop that i got for free. :D

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=204&stc=1&d=1230340785

[Chicken Patty]

^^^^

FIT after hes done with the build >>>> :crazy::crazy::crazy:


Great job so far bro, looks good :)

[Sniper]

Nice free stuff always makes a build what? Did you have any luck finding some rivets?

[Fitseries3]

Nice free stuff always makes a build what? Did you have any luck finding some rivets?

yup. you cant really tell they are in the pic. i got some long ones but i dont know if they will work good. i'll give them a try tonight.

[Fitseries3]

OH yeah... rivets work great. it pulled the acrylic down and compressed the foam nicely.

thanks man.

[Sniper]

Sweet that's awesome! I've never had to use them yet but hopefully soon lol.

[Fitseries3]

an update here...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21258&stc=1&d=1230348648


http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21259&stc=1&d=1230348648

[Chicken Patty]

^^^woohoooo, looks awesome.that pump looks monstrous.

[Sniper]

Damn those pumps are huge eh? haha.

[Fitseries3]

and thats not even my iwaki ;)

[Sniper]

Heheh Jesus! I'm glad I stick with my small pumps for the time being haha.

[Fitseries3]

cutting the back pannel...

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=207&stc=1&d=1230427653

[Chicken Patty]

:happy1::happy1::happy1:

so far so good :)

[Fitseries3]

a few updates.... for those of you who wonder....

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21298&stc=1&d=1230437738

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21299&stc=1&d=1230437738

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http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21301&stc=1&d=1230437809

[Chicken Patty]

^^^ dude that is coming out awesome bro damn!!!! Awesome work.

[Septim]

how is the clearance with the ek res and one or two of those fans you've got...

[Fitseries3]

i actually measured so the res would be out of the way from the fans. its about 1/2" away once the fans are mounted. :)

[Fitseries3]

what you guys think about them? i can get 8 for $8 each

FFB1424SHG

http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/FFB/FFB140x140x50mm.pdf

[Sniper]

For $8 each I say go for it dude. I think they were talking about these before if i'm not mistaken? Should work good for your setup to!

[smee]

what you guys think about them? i can get 8 for $8 each

FFB1424SHG

http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/FFB/FFB140x140x50mm.pdf

"I CAN"T HEAR ANYTHING NOW..... WHAT HAPPENED?? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM......."
:D:D

Thats what I think about em... :rofl:

Lol but seriously, for what your going to be doing, should work great!! :up:

[Fitseries3]

the others i could not find at all. the one place canceled my order for the one i bought.

these are 237cfm and the other ones are 367cfm

3600rpm on these with 5000rpm on the others.

other than that its the same fan... just a different motor.

[Fitseries3]

a quick update...

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=217&stc=1&d=1230582715

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=218&stc=1&d=1230582715

[Fitseries3]

working on one of my new talents....

this will be a bracket to hold a bitspower x-station...

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/sidewindercomputers_2030_13288524

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21357&stc=1&d=1230585330

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21358&stc=1&d=1230585330

more pics....

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21359&stc=1&d=1230591368

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21360&stc=1&d=1230591446

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[Chicken Patty]

^^^^ wooohooooo

[Fitseries3]

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=230&stc=1&d=1230673500

[Chicken Patty]

^^^ looks great bro. Your rads in yet fit?

[Fitseries3]

i bought them today but SW is behind on orders so it will be a few days. no problem though. its that time of year. :)

[Chicken Patty]

i bought them today but SW is behind on orders so it will be a few days. no problem though. its that time of year. :)

Thanks bro, good to know they are going to arrive soon :D. Thats what im dying to see bro.

[Fitseries3]

you guys need to tell me something to compare these too and i'll get better pics.

HUGE doesnt describe these well enough to get my point accross.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21573&stc=1&d=1231190297

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[RedRaider]

:wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth: :wth:

[just a noob]

i'm liking the way this is going

[RoBsTeR]

I love External Rad Boxes! Great Work! Im loving it!

[Fitseries3]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21613&stc=1&d=1231354009

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[Chicken Patty]

holy $h!t

damn man, i want to see some results, those rads are huge!

[systemviper]

Dam every time i see what your doing my eyes pop, that looks like a speaker i built when i was a kid with a monster woffer.

great stuff....

[Fitseries3]

painted one meanwell.

dont paint in the cold though. takes forever to dry. i had to cook this to get it done.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21796&stc=1&d=1231903089

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21797&stc=1&d=1231903182

[Chicken Patty]

Cooking for the Win!!!!!!!!!!! :up:

[Fitseries3]

got the fans mounted to one rad. only had enough screws for 4 fans. need to get more today hopefully.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22122&stc=1&d=1232568127

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[Fitseries3]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22151&stc=1&d=1232643989

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[Chicken Patty]

^^^ hovercraft!!!!!! Great work. Those fans are insane.

[Fitseries3]

due to complications and material cost i am changing the design of my monster cooler a bit.

it will no longer be an enclosed unit but more like my last one i built for the PA120.3's.

[Fitseries3]

Psu's and res's mounted.

in the pic you can see...

S-100-12 (12v)(fans 1-4)
S-100-12 (12v)(fans 5-8)
S-150-24 (24v)(pump)

res's are hooked together RES > RES for more capacitance and ease of filling/bleeding.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22167&stc=1&d=1232662514

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22168&stc=1&d=1232662514

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[Fitseries3]

dammit....

after all that work, its not going to work that way.

the rads mess everything up.

i have to relocate the biggest psu but the only places to put it are really far from the pump that its going to power.

idk...

anyone have any ideas gathered from my pics?

[Fitseries3]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090122/Capture039.jpg


small yellow box - AC wall power in
small pink box - AC power switch
green box's(2x) - fan psu's
blue box - pump psu
purple box's(2x) rad fans
blue circle - pump
red and black lines - + and - AC power
brown lines DC power

[Fitseries3]

maybe this will help...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22174&stc=1&d=1232689555

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22175&stc=1&d=1232689555

[Septim]

nice updates... keep em coming...

[Fitseries3]

fixed...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22212&stc=1&d=1232759917

[RoBsTeR]

Cant say enough fitseriers3 ! LOVE IT!

Thanks for all the pics! I have about 20 sticks of Aluminum angle I purchased, the only problem is No Imagination! Seeing your project - inpsires me! :)

Great Job!

[Fitseries3]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22387&stc=1&d=1233165799

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[mcoffey]

Now there's a rad box after my own hart. Keep working it, looking good man.:up:

andyc

[Fitseries3]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22390&stc=1&d=1233169900

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[Fitseries3]

its ALIVE!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22393&stc=1&d=1233171503

[Fitseries3]

it is running in the pics...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22396&stc=1&d=1233177669

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[Chicken Patty]

^^^brilliant mate :up:


Looks great and those vortex's are impressive lol.

[smee]

wow that looks great fits!
we need a video to hear this monster growl with all those crazy fans. xD

[Chicken Patty]

wow that looks great fits!
we need a video to hear this monster growl with all those crazy fans. xD

amen to that :up:

[Fitseries3]

idk if you can see it but the top 4 are wired.

im just waiting on some more pcie connectors to get the bottom 4 up and running.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22413&stc=1&d=1233200877

[Chicken Patty]

when are you expecting the connectors?

[Fitseries3]

idk... no one sent me any.

[Chicken Patty]

idk... no one sent me any.

cant get any locally?

[Fitseries3]

are you kiddin? no one even knows WTF they are locally.

[Chicken Patty]

are you kiddin? no one even knows WTF they are locally.

wow thats not good, I think cold storm had offered a few over at TPU, did you see that post?

[Fitseries3]

here's a Video of the cooler running...

YouTube - MVI 3977

[smee]

dang that can get LOUD!!! great stuff man, thats insane....

[Chicken Patty]

dang that can get LOUD!!! great stuff man, thats insane....

sounds like a plane powering up for take off, thing is insane

[Septim]

featuring Fits' levitating rad box....

[mcoffey]

I'm lovin it, thanks for for the vid,

andyc

[DexNfX]

Some Rad goodness going on in this build. :D