New MM build coming, you guys are going to love this one.

[mcoffey]

Well,

Just couldn't resist some of the new stuff MM has come out lately, so spent about an hour yesterday working with Ben on some custom stuff. First time I've really worked with him directly, and I can't say enough about his ability to get a concept or design idea into build. I've been kind of tuff on Been over the years, but without his help, the build design I've been planning for over a year wouldn't have been possible. He's a great guy, very professional and it was a pleasure working with him.

I'm talking about a 4 or 5x PA 120.3 build, where 100% of the heat dump is outside the case, dead nuts quiet and optimal cooling efficiency.

And here's the kicker. The inside case volume is less than an Extended Ascension CYO:D I've been planning this build for over 1.5 years

Stuff should be here Thursday, so I'l start posting some picks then. Just thought I'd give you MM/PA lovers a heads up:D

andyc

[RedRaider]

I personally can't wait to see what you've been cooking up...:D

Ben has a very conceptual mind, he's definitively found his calling...

[Kayin]

You interest me.

Keep on...

[Septim]

very good andy, must be that custom coffee table, the only thing ontop would be a simple mini case style with only the mobo and cd drive visible and some tubing snaking out to the bottom...

any pictures or drawings would be nice...

[bigslappy]

I gotta woody ...

[Sniper]

I'm going to guess at something I thought of doing & mentioned before but are you joining 2 pinnacles together by chance? Side by side I mean? lol

[Septim]

and make it a cube, lolz...

maybe similar to a james bond tricked out car...

[Eddie3dfx]

4 or 5 thermochills?
Oh good lord!..
I'm interested in how the case is designed.

[mcoffey]

Yeah,

Haven't decided whether I wan't to do a double loop with 4 120.3's, or triple loop with 5 120.3's. Really depends on how I can move the air thru the 5th rad if I decide to go that way. Over all, adding a 5th rad really won't amount to much for cooling, because 4 120.3 can handle just about anything I can think of.

Well, maybe not:D

andyc

[Cutless009]

mmmm, 5x 120.3 <3

[mcoffey]

Here's the case parts list. The quad panel front still has me worried, it's a tuff fit getting the 2 end rads in so they'll clear the 1" side panel flanges. But we'll get'r done

1 x Pedestal 24
- Back Panel Fan Spacing: Thermochill
- Back Panel Type: Triple 120
- Front Panel Fan Spacing: Thermochill
- Side 1: Quad
- Side 2: Solid ALU Panel
- Front Panel Type: Triple 120
- Side Panel Fan Spacing: Thermochill
- Bottom Panel Type: Standard
- Finish: Mirror Black

1 x Pinnacle 24 - CYO
- Finish: Mirror Black
- Front Panel Fan Spacing: Thermochill
- Top Panel Fan Spacing: Thermochill
- Side 1: Big Window Panel
- Side 2: Solid ALU Panel
- Side 3: Triple 120
- Acrylic Color: Clear
- Motherboard Tray: mATX / ATX

1 x Smoked grey panel with 4 x 1203 cutouts.
- Replacement panel for case order: Yes
- Finish: Same as Custom Case
- Laser Cut-Out:

andyc

[Armeniandave]

I'm definetly looking forward to seeing the build. As soon as I get tired or board of my Cosmos I'm going to get my MM!

[RedRaider]

MM ........ FTW

[mcoffey]

I'm definetly looking forward to seeing the build. As soon as I get tired or board of my Cosmos I'm going to get my MM!

yeah,

I already did the MM cube thing, so I wasn't interested in another MM build until I saw them come out with the Pedestal 24 and Pennacle 24. The Pennacle with be up on my desk, the Pedestal on the floor sitting 24" wide by 18" tall. Twin D-5's for each twin 120.3, for 2 seprate loops in the Pedestal. That much I know for sure. I'll have to wait for the case to get here before I decide on a third loop with a single 120.3 in the Pennacle. Just depends on how I can move the air thru the rad for the thrid loop. But I am leaning that way.

No way I was going to do a build with all the heat dump from 3 or 4 rads in the case. That's why I stopped my 343b build a year ago. To each their own, but that's a really bad design IMO, and just won't do for me.

I haven't started the build log on the 343b yet. All the MB and cooling stuff will come out of this one, and go into the main build. So this is where the 343b build stopped.

Tricked out pump control. I'l use the same concept in the new build. Each pump can be turned off and on, and power supply to the pumps can be switched from main PC power to aux power for filling and bleeding. Also you can see the Pedestal 18 the 343b will sit on. That will all remain with the 343b, but I won't run dual pump setups or dual rads now.


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw152hKPpI/AAAAAAAABYg/O5bIt54vPYQ/s800/DSC_0046.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw19pPIWtI/AAAAAAAABZc/8Ko7F6Ni2vQ/s800/DSC_0053.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2A3LWw6I/AAAAAAAABaM/IZ6VXgAIQnk/s800/DSC_0059.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2CqGZjRI/AAAAAAAABas/2bntuZkm7Yc/s800/DSC_0063.JPG

Proof of concept testing, and it really works well

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2DyOOWuI/AAAAAAAABa8/1GarGdOfo2Q/s800/DSC_0065.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2Kcf-Y2I/AAAAAAAABcQ/CuYut9HPDlo/s800/DSC_0075.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2L7gE88I/AAAAAAAABco/ctd3n9SYVfs/s800/DSC_0078.JPG

And here's the way the loops will run on the new build. But this will all come out of the 343b build into the new build. I think I did a pretty good job on routing.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2P27p-qI/AAAAAAAABdw/N4K2dhmtgEc/s800/DSC_0087.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2RnLgW4I/AAAAAAAABd4/Fpse1ua_Vcw/s800/DSC_0088.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/STw2Spr2TfI/AAAAAAAABeM/_p_cOKcjms8/s800/DSC_0090.JPG

andyc

[Armeniandave]

Hey I like the way you mounted those pumps!!:)
Any chance of getting a better pic for my gallery?

I really like the cubes but I also like the new cases MM came out with. Ill have to wait and see some builds before deciding.

[RedRaider]

I like it Andy...:slobber:

[mcoffey]

Hey I like the way you mounted those pumps!!:)
Any chance of getting a better pic for my gallery?

I really like the cubes but I also like the new cases MM came out with. Ill have to wait and see some builds before deciding.

No problem and I really like your stuff. I have to pull everything out this week, and I'll take some good picks for you showing the different ways you can turn the pumps using your mounts if that will help.

andyc

[Armeniandave]

cool I appreciated the complement and the pics.

[Septim]

very nice place...

[smee]

HOOOOOOLY crap... Andy this sounds so AWESOME!!

BTW, love your room. Gotta love "organized mess". ;):D

[Eddie3dfx]

Holey Moley.. yeah that is nice.

[bigslappy]

is that a fan shroud on the PED ?

[mcoffey]

is that a fan shroud on the PED ?

Yeah,

All my builds have TC PA shrouds. Best way to run a rad I know of. And I wouldn't do any serious build without them. Gotta have my shrouds man. Efficeient air flow and the noise reduction is substantial when using a pull config on the fans.

andyc

[mcoffey]

Here's my little Box O' Fittings I've collected for the new build. About 95% will be BP fittings of one type or another. Everything should be here tomorrow. I'll update with more pics then. Check the custom HiFlow copper L's and T's from Martin. Some of my most prized LC possessions:)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/ST_xiy0VbMI/AAAAAAAABf0/nnZKDfELH0k/s800/DSC_0004-1.JPG

Got here a day early,

And here it is,

Packaging was very good and double boxed,

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUBQKKz7DgI/AAAAAAAABgU/zggBFOxXuYQ/s800/DSC_0005-1.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUBQNLsSduI/AAAAAAAABgc/dBGJI9VikJs/s800/DSC_0009-1.JPG

From what I can tell they have packing down pat. All the different panels are rapped in plastic with cardboard in between each piece. I'll be able to tell when I unrap each peice, but all the black mirror finishes look really good, and the acrlyic panel is perfect.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUBQQPwo9xI/AAAAAAAABgo/HVewogVhKCw/s800/DSC_0013-1.JPG

Pedestal 24 parts on the left, and Pennacle 24 parts on the right with the Pedestals Back panel up top.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUBQR5LKn2I/AAAAAAAABgw/sB4bOz6LAgA/s800/DSC_0020-1.JPG

More to come later,

andyc

[bigslappy]

Yeah,

All my builds have TC PA shrouds. Best way to run a rad I know of. And I wouldn't do any serious build without them. Gotta have my shrouds man. Efficeient air flow and the noise reduction is substantial when using a pull config on the fans.

andycyer Right > Rads should have a shroud, they work better that way !!!!

Yeah i'm gonna mod up some shrouds for my Swifties two types as i'm goonna need to stack a few of the rads

Looking @ a S/S shroud that would be on the out side of the ped all the way around that way i could have my 2 GTX480 on the long side & the mcr320's on the short side & still have some more rads stacked inside

all this would be the air blowing out .... anyway not to hi-jack yer thread ... Nice Looks Great .. I Like .. keep the pix coming ..

[zlojack]

You guys do know I hate all of you with these huge MM cases making me want to get one?

Nice stuff Mcoffey

[Xilikon]

You guys do know I hate all of you with these huge MM cases making me want to get one?

Nice stuff Mcoffey

Same here... I'm eyeing a Pinnacle 24 but with some custom grill design integrated. I know we are talking $$$ but it's a good investment for a case which can outlast everything while having what I need precisely.

[bigslappy]

Same here... I'm eyeing a Pinnacle 24 but with some custom grill design integrated. I know we are talking $$$ but it's a good investment for a case which can outlast everything while having what I need precisely.

YUP the case when done right is forever !
just make it so u can upgrade at anytime

[Sniper]

Lol My next 2 will be Pinnacle then upgrading the H2gO to a UFO with Ped. Won't need anymore than that I don't think. But then again ya never know lmao!

[Kayin]

Why do you think I'm building Mithril?

[RedRaider]

I see a Pinnacle 24 in my future...:hmm:

[mcoffey]

Here's the first part of the build which I'll be using for the external rad box. Basically it's a cross between a Pedestal 24 and Monacle 18. Mostly Monacle with the Pedestal side panels.

Here's the base, which would be like one on a Monacle.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-HMJCvpI/AAAAAAAABhs/LLTLyYaE38o/s800/DSC_0023.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-NLELHVI/AAAAAAAABh0/mW_TY55F-yQ/s800/DSC_0026.JPG

Here's a shot of how the panels connect

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-lAf5viI/AAAAAAAABiU/_K1aULFvuIk/s800/DSC_0028.JPG

Side panels which would be like the ones on a Pedestal

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-qu_gIAI/AAAAAAAABig/Fuf8s8gkgRQ/s800/DSC_0032.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-zy-xrsI/AAAAAAAABio/2JiPtQOH42s/s800/DSC_0033.JPG

Struts connected to the side panels

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC-50fzBjI/AAAAAAAABiw/JUwrAp4TslQ/s800/DSC_0036.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC_ELbNC4I/AAAAAAAABi4/dg1MoLouWns/s800/DSC_0039.JPG

Pretty quad 120.3 acrylic front panel

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC_e1ik6dI/AAAAAAAABjA/n3YUfW1vJEs/s800/DSC_0040.JPG

And with the top on

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC_oLD5zwI/AAAAAAAABjI/8fr17i4MsDI/s800/DSC_0045.JPG

Back panel

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUC_0puXppI/AAAAAAAABjQ/GzFLjwJtlz8/s800/DSC_0051.JPG

All done:D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDAA1DI-5I/AAAAAAAABjY/3MgpSXXx8iU/s800/DSC_0055.JPG

Here's something that might interest benchers or somebody wanting to setup rads externally next to their case. I use drawer L brackets from Lowes for the feet, and striaght brackets to connect the two rads together.
And yes, they does need a good cleaning. :yepp: Both these rads have been in service on my bench for over a year. They'll both be getting a new home in the Pedestal radbox along with two others.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDAl8XkUYI/AAAAAAAABjs/36Bm4lIb3a0/s800/DSC_0061.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDAsfxh3QI/AAAAAAAABj0/L0TljP1umYU/s800/DSC_0062.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDAylZIdfI/AAAAAAAABj8/dPvUTJfcu-8/s800/DSC_0064.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDBRQltEwI/AAAAAAAABkI/Td18C0Ipgzk/s800/DSC_0065.JPG

And here's the last pic where I dry fitted the rad to make sure there's enough clearence. I was pretty concerned about that, but Ben hooked me up with no problem. There'll be just enough room on the front panel side to get the fans connected. Shooooo, that was a close one.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUDBWJ9q98I/AAAAAAAABkQ/X65Eiej0HAY/s800/DSC_0068.JPG

Well that's it for tonight, more tomorrow when I get the Pennacle 24 built. Only take about an hour assemble one.

andyc

[Septim]

very nice. portable Liquid Cooling Luggage Trolley... You need a nice retractable strap for that. hehe.

[Armeniandave]

When that thing is all together and filled its gonna weigh a ton!

[RedRaider]

Great design, Andy...

How sturdy are the plexi side panels?

[Sniper]

Then your putting a pinnacle on top of that? Yikes! lol Might be abit unstable or tippy don't you think?

[mcoffey]

Great design, Andy...

How sturdy are the plexi side panels?

They ain't plexi, they just look that way because of the mirror black finish:D They're a flanged tray design, all one piece. The front, back and top are the only removable panels.

The front is the only panel that's acrylic and it's 1/4". I couldn't get a AL front with the right spacing unless I waited for a custom parts run. Ben suggested the acrylic and felt like it would be strong enough. He can cut those on the 40 watt laser in the shop.

The side and top panels will be used as vents with filters. It's seems rigid enough, but I'll support the rads from the bottom just to take some weight off.

Then your putting a pinnacle on top of that? Yikes! lol Might be abit unstable or tippy don't you think?

No No,

The Pinnacle will sit on my desktop, and the tubing will run down to the Pedestal thru the top.

andyc

[Sniper]

Whew that's a nice idea though for sure! I like the bottom rad case idea though alot!

[RedRaider]

I want one...:sweating:

[Baleful]

You are the man. I can't wait to see the finished product. I'm scared of acrylic though, I hope it works out for you. I'm way to rough on equipment to use acrylic, I've learned the hard way not to use it, I hope you have better luck.

[bigslappy]

andy
U could run a 1/4" ALU angle up along the fan holes on the back of the plexi "painted back" they would never be seen & would stiffen the panel quite well

[mcoffey]

Whew that's a nice idea though for sure! I like the bottom rad case idea though alot!

Oh yeah, would be cool. You could actually get a 24x24 hybrid pedestal with quad 480's, and stack a Pinnacle 24 right on top with another 480 in the case for the third loop. Be pretty wild, and the most extreme LC system I could imagine keeping sound design goals in mind as far as cooling capacity goes.

But part of my design was to allow for modularity and future expansion. Say I get tired of the Pinnacle and want to move to another case. I just disconnect the tubing, turn the Pinnacle into a single loop, single rad build and connect the rad box to any other case I want for high performance LC. It could be any case, as long as I could fit two good size res's in it. And I could split the 4 rads up inside the Pedestal anyway I wanted with very little modification. I could change it into a 4 loop build if I wanted, simply by changing the tubing and connections around and adding res's to the main case. Or I could cool up to 4 different cases really easy. The Pedestal will have 4 D-5's mounted inside. Each pump has it's on power feed and control.

And the best part is, no heat dump in the main case. or not enough to effect anything:D

Took me a long ass time to think all this crap up and plan. It wasn't until MM came up with the new cases that it all came together. I didn't want to build my own radbox, just don't have the time or energy.

andyc

[mcoffey]

andy
U could run a 1/4" ALU angle up along the fan holes on the back of the plexi "painted back" they would never be seen & would stiffen the panel quite well

Yeah, and thanks for mentioning that. I don't think it's going to be an issue. But if it doesn't hold up, I can get another panel for 40.00 bucks and do as you suggest. Or get MM to custom cut a AL front panel.

Thanks for the suggestion though none the less. Very good idea and hadn't thougt of it.

andyc

[RedRaider]

What a plan it was.

Major KUDOS...

[mcoffey]

The Pinnacle 24 in up and ready to go. This thing is just enormous. All the room on the world inside. This will makes things so much easier on a large scale build. There will be plenty of room for the 3 EK 250 res's. Should be really good on air flow thru the case too.

The one thing that concerns me, and will need to do something about, is the MB tray itself. It's ridgid enough at the bottom because of the attached flange, but the top portion is somewhat flimsy it seems. I'm afraid that if I don't secure it for stability somehow, the two GTX 280 with Hydro FC blocks will bend it. Just a concern at this point, but I wouldn't feel to comfortable with it as is. Both the blocks weigh around a kilo a piece.

Here's a pic of the front and back panels on the base.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7sjDhrvI/AAAAAAAAB7c/Mtkaof1xxpU/s800/DSC_0071.JPG

Top struts connected and the MB tray ready to assemble.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7ou2b4uI/AAAAAAAAB7U/D3xTbp0AwvQ/s800/DSC_0074.JPG

3/4 side view without the windowed side panel on and removable MB tray installed

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7XKyU5EI/AAAAAAAAB7I/cJWdKdOx4SM/s800/DSC_0097.JPG

Back view

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7TiEsaCI/AAAAAAAAB7A/RWgrRenaMYw/s800/DSC_0100.JPG

3/4 side view with windowed panel attached

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7HZjGNuI/AAAAAAAAB6w/XUvPW0LBP08/s800/DSC_0108.JPG

And here's both the Pinnacle and Pedestal together.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUH7N9W0RlI/AAAAAAAAB64/f2ft8BEhmo4/s800/DSC_0116.JPG

More to come later on of the front view next to a TT Armor Case. This thing is absolutley huge. It dwarfs the Armor.

andyc

[RedRaider]

pUre sIIIIIIIcknesssss.....:slobber:

I hate you andy....:crying:

[Snyxxx]

I see a Pinnacle 24 in my future...:hmm:

+1

It is all looking good Andy. Wow that is a lot of hardware. I see you have a digital multimeter on your desk and smoke the same brand as I do.:D

"Santa" is bringing me a Fluke 287 for Christmas.:santa:

[mcoffey]

Oh...a Fluke...hmmm

Oh Honey....:D

andyc

[Demthios]

Nice build should be interesting to see how it finishes up.

[RedRaider]

Both of ya'll need to man up to a REAL cig.... Camel Lights...;)

[mcoffey]

Well,

That's about as clean as I can get a triple loop build to route. I think it turned out pretty fair. You can see where I'll drill the bottom of the case out for the pass thru fittings. I figured I'd have at least one pump and rad in the main box. Just didn't seem right to have a LC build without a full loop exposed, it suit my eye better, and it made the triple loop possible. The internal rad, res and pump will be for the chipset/mosfet loop. I can't imagine there will be enough heat dump to spoil my design requirements with all the other air moving thru the case.

Wire management is as easy as any case I've ever worked with. Since the wires from the PSU dump right behind the MB gap. Should make for a very clean build. The MB ended up being much more ridgid than I originally thought. Everything seem sturdy.Once I pull the dry fit and drill the case out, I'll remount and make ready for operation. Then off to finish the Pedestal and get everything ready to run.

Here's the pics on todays progress.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXXYKHasiI/AAAAAAAAB8Y/93EuGX09XWw/s800/DSC_0008.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXXgnXhqOI/AAAAAAAAB8g/FvraGbQUsmE/s800/DSC_0009.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXXqo1q6kI/AAAAAAAAB8o/Zp-uHYfDwfQ/s800/DSC_0010.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXXyt-qqmI/AAAAAAAAB8w/7hAurGBnvyU/s800/DSC_0012.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXX-y2ndEI/AAAAAAAAB88/3raybbg0JEQ/s800/DSC_0013.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXYDn5ZIvI/AAAAAAAAB9E/etVWDrh_MkY/s800/DSC_0015.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXYOmYPXDI/AAAAAAAAB9M/HS5gqRkyIeA/s800/DSC_0016.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXYThZxx8I/AAAAAAAAB9U/6mPehx-0Ms0/s800/DSC_0017.JPG

Of cource I'll buff the panels out after I'm done constructing the build. The get messy as hell with all the finger prints and it's real easy to get micro scratches when trying to wipe them off.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXYld_xyXI/AAAAAAAAB9o/vBYQ7PdDOes/s800/DSC_0024.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUXYfd_AQMI/AAAAAAAAB9c/6zkfs3QVgMg/s800/DSC_0019.JPG

More tomorrow or the next day.

andyc

[skinnee]

Looking very good Andy! I like the placement and tube routing from the 3 reservoirs, nice work! :up:


Both of ya'll need to man up to a REAL cig.... Camel Lights...;)
www.nascigs.com...real cigs.

[RedRaider]

I still am in shock that Andy now owns (3) MountainMods products...:wtf1:

Very nice / clean work so far. I appreciate the tubing "pretzeling" I see. Looks like wire management will be clean.

Let's see how my build ends up comparing to your LiLi build and this one...:shrug:


Is that the EK Supreme I spy in there???


RedRaider Approval rating is pending...:hmm:

[bigslappy]

Looks great Andy !!

[mcoffey]

I still am in shock that Andy now owns (3) MountainMods products...:wtf1:

Very nice / clean work so far. I appreciate the tubing "pretzeling" I see. Looks like wire management will be clean.

Let's see how my build ends up comparing to your LiLi build and this one...:shrug:


Is that the EK Supreme I spy in there???


RedRaider Approval rating is pending...:hmm:

Thanks man, and I like the rating system. And lest you forget, I was running MM gear back before you knew what a LC PC was:D

andyc

[RedRaider]

Thanks man, and I like the rating system. And lest you forget, I was running MM gear back before you knew what a LC PC was:D

andyc

That was low, bro....:nutshot:

[mcoffey]

Here's a pic of the rads dry fitted to the case from the front. Pretty beefy looking IMO:D

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU1pUxSC4LI/AAAAAAAACDQ/SdjR53C3nHw/s800/DSC_0071.JPG

Back Side

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU1pX-kD2sI/AAAAAAAACDY/Bq6K9LaZkyI/s800/DSC_0073.JPG

How the pumps will set on the case floor

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU3LVkQbt0I/AAAAAAAACE0/AIVqbVg3ExE/s800/DSC_0080.JPG

How the rads will get plumbed

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU3LPTNSZuI/AAAAAAAACEc/UQgGcdwQ384/s800/DSC_0077.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU3LRfdZqgI/AAAAAAAACEk/Uo_ZoALpIsc/s800/DSC_0078.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU3LTWGi8BI/AAAAAAAACEs/38dV4GW4EUQ/s800/DSC_0079.JPG

Top drilled and fitting with the pass thru fittings for interconnection to the case.....all in a row:D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU7m8Jzpx1I/AAAAAAAACG8/ic_H_MQJRiI/s800/DSC_0087.JPG

From the top

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU7nV8ewmnI/AAAAAAAACIY/bkeXwXUG1U4/s800/DSC_0097.JPG

You can't beat all the different BP fittings. I had about 1/32 inch of extra space to ge the fittings in. With out all the BP fitting options, no way I would have gotten it all in so cleanly

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU7nDloAJSI/AAAAAAAACHY/TJ7NgT8AYCo/s800/DSC_0090.JPG

But, my most prized fittings is Martin's custom copper 90's. They worked out perfect without restricting flow for the dual rad interconnects.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU7nI3jEL4I/AAAAAAAACHs/NIfry1BJlvA/s800/DSC_0092.JPG


Here's a few of the Pinnacle case and some lighting I was messing with. The UV stuff is OK, but for this builid I'll go with 3 white CCFL's, and two blue CCFL's tucked back behind to the side of the rad flooding the 3 EK res's.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUcW-6x2wqI/AAAAAAAAB-Q/-rnK0cIllH4/s800/DSC_0053.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUcW8Ur2mhI/AAAAAAAAB-I/ccO3xXTrzd4/s800/DSC_0052.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SUcXLYWqn4I/AAAAAAAAB-Y/KnuvvcB2stk/s800/DSC_0032.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SU7nlgkcDZI/AAAAAAAACIg/HSYqes3qQ2Q/s800/DSC_0049.JPG


andyc

[dingdong555]

Freaking awesome man, I personally don't like the orange cable ties but it's your case ;)

[mcoffey]

Freaking awesome man, I personally don't like the orange cable ties but it's your case ;)

Thanks,

Neither do I. Just just left over from the POC testing for the dry fit. They'll all be replaced by UV neon yellow ties, and all the wire sleeving will be UV yellow also.

andyc

[Snyxxx]

Andy,

In the Pinnacle 24, is there enough room between the side panel and removable mobo tray to hide all the PSU cables and such? I see your wires back there, but how does it compare to other cases?

Also, I see that the top of the mobo tray does not have a top support. Is it flimsy? My Silverstone TJ-03 has an upper rail that supports the mobo tray at the top.

Thanks.

[Big_Daddy]

I believe it's been posted that there is 1" between wall and mb tray.

[mcoffey]

Andy,

In the Pinnacle 24, is there enough room between the side panel and removable mobo tray to hide all the PSU cables and such? I see your wires back there, but how does it compare to other cases?

Also, I see that the top of the mobo tray does not have a top support. Is it flimsy? My Silverstone TJ-03 has an upper rail that supports the mobo tray at the top.

Thanks.

Oh yeah, there's plenty enough room to hide any PSU cables or other wires going to the MB. The wires are are just laying in there right now, everything is just mocked up so I'd see the layout and know where to drill the holes for the pass thur fittings.

I was a little concerned about the MB tray at first. Without the MB mounted is seemed somewhat flimsy, but once the board is mounted with the cards everything seems to stiffen up nicely. Each one of those GPU FC blocks weigh 2 lbs and the MB seems to support everything just fine.

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

holy crap, that is amazing!!!!!!!!!


I've always watned to do something like that, have alike a external rad box, and have my case like right next to it or something. :::Jaw drops:::

I think im getting a MM case very soon!!!

[BDW88]

I'm getting one of those cases for sure!, Mccoffey would a PA.120.3 with 120x38mm fan's and shroud fit up top? will it clear the psu?

[HESmelaugh]

What an insane build, man!
Well done!

[mcoffey]

I'm getting one of those cases for sure!, Mccoffey would a PA.120.3 with 120x38mm fan's and shroud fit up top? will it clear the psu?

It would be tight, and the PSU would block air flow thu the rad. You have 3.75" from a TX1000 type PSU to the case top. That's why I decided to put the one internal 120.3 up front. There's tons of room there.

What an insane build, man!
Well done!


thanks much. Once I get the res's mounted so they're not connected to the back panel, I'm all set and it's up and running.

andyc

[mcoffey]

Well it's up, ruinning and it screams:D More glam shots to come once I get the cam setup. This thing took over 5 liters to fill...lmao. Runs cool as ice. Case temps never go above 2c from ambient air even under 100% CPU and GPU load. MB temp around 4-5 C above ambient air temp. Fluid/Air delta around 2.2c with fans running at 1000RPM. Fluid temps only rise around 2 C from idle on the CPU and 2.5-3.0 C on the GPU loop running one hour 3D Mark 06 @ 2560x1600. Just a insane system and meets all my expectations.

I couldn't be more happy with the way it turned out. Oh, and with 20 fans running, as quiet as any rig I've run if not more quiet. My wife couldn't believe it. This rig makes less noise than her stock Dell.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vz_mG6KI/AAAAAAAACzg/8kPRkXXk_BM/s800/DSC_0056.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vEYt9jQI/AAAAAAAACzE/299gvPi88Oc/s800/DSC_0001-2.JPG

Need to cut the interconnection wire to length once I get some more sleeving. I think I went thru 20'..... I left it that way as a tribute to some of the Pro Builders out there:D

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vCXS1PxI/AAAAAAAACy0/pskbcETXkHs/s800/DSC_0012-1.JPG

more to come,

andyc

[zlojack]

Very nice, Andy!

[BDW88]

Nicely done!

[iandh]

Nice job. Have you been too busy working on this to answer that PM I sent you? A simple yes or no would suffice... ;)

[mcoffey]

Very nice, Andy!

Nicely done!

Thanks guys, means a lot

Nice job. Have you been too busy working on this to answer that PM I sent you? A simple yes or no would suffice... ;)

Thanks, you are correct, and you have PM:)

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

ha, man this build came out great Andy. :up: for you!!!

[Septim]

cool. although am not too thrilled with hanging bridge tubing...

[mcoffey]

cool. although am not too thrilled with hanging bridge tubing...

What, for the fill port tubing? LOL...I don't like that much either. Yeah, I would have much rather run it straight up, but couldn't because of the drive gage on one side so I used 2 45's on the end res. Now that I've got the holes drilled up top, I might just use straight 1/2"
fittings with bent tubing for a more classic look.

andyc

[Snyxxx]

Nice job Andy.

I assume you have the top case fans sucking the hot air out of the top?

[mcoffey]

Nice job Andy.

I assume you have the top case fans sucking the hot air out of the top?

Yep, and it never gets warm really because all the usual heat generating components are LC'd. The 120.3 up front cools the NB/SB and Mosfet blocks only, so very little heat dump from that one rad. Also, I have the bottom back fan blowing fresh cool outside air across the MB, so that's help too. The top back fans pulls case air out also. So 4 fans in, and 4 fans out plus the 140 MM PSU fan out.

Right now I'm running 100% load with a 24c ambient air. The inside case air temp is 27.06 C:D It's one of the design features that I'm most proud of, and one of the main concepts of the build. One of the things I learned back when I ran a dual loop with my Horizon was without proper air flow thru the case and exhuast, the rads heat dump turns the case into a oven which in turn heated the rad casings greatly reducing efficeincy.

That's why I stopped the triple loop 343b build back over a year ago. I could have gotten it to work and fit everything in the case, but the cooling efficeincy would have been horrible with all that heat dump inside the case based on my requirements. The main requirement being silence with optimal cooling. Using the Pedestal/Monicle 24 as the rad box eleviated that problem by moving the heat dump from the rads away from the components inside the main case. Also, by moving most of the noise generation farther away from where I sit, really reduced the fan and pump noise from the 12 fans and 4 D-5'w in the rad box.

andyc

[mcoffey]

I few more shots while I tiddy things up a tad.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8Cy_Jq2I/AAAAAAAAC0k/tJCNqJ8x9Oo/s800/DSC_0006.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8EbkER6I/AAAAAAAAC0s/CPc_hA7VcSI/s800/DSC_0008.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8Fpup9mI/AAAAAAAAC00/3re5Fb1GfNE/s800/DSC_0009.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8G4t8r3I/AAAAAAAAC08/5vG7bz8Zn6k/s800/DSC_0013.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8I85o4JI/AAAAAAAAC1I/j_Vc-Cv8754/s800/DSC_0015.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8KX-WUfI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/NSfXfWJRwFU/s800/DSC_0016.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8LKjiWvI/AAAAAAAAC1Y/BdAIx6c6ylo/s800/DSC_0017.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8RKDajkI/AAAAAAAAC1s/280T0wW9hdY/s800/DSC_0022.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8SnLSvDI/AAAAAAAAC10/har63rTnUME/s800/DSC_0024.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8W71TziI/AAAAAAAAC18/PokvnIh-7VQ/s800/DSC_0014.JPG

And she's getting tuned in pretty good now

Oh boy, she's getting tuned in now:) 23c ambient temp.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXCmVHqW29I/AAAAAAAAC0E/OSJ9kAW5NhA/s800/OSD%201162009%2095844%20AM.jpg

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

^^^ are those fan grills/filter in the front of your case the ones from Gary??? Look like them.

[mcoffey]

^^^ are those fan grills/filter in the front of your case the ones from Gary??? Look like them.

I think those are the ones I got from P-PC, but they're the exact same ones as Sidewinder's sell. The black wire griils where from Gary though. I went thru quite a few of those.

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

I think those are the ones I got from P-PC, but they're the exact same ones as Sidewinder's sell. The black wire griils where from Gary though. I went thru quite a few of those.

andyc

cool, thanks bro, how you like the filters as opposed to not having any? Worth it?

[mcoffey]

cool, thanks bro, how you like the filters as opposed to not having any? Worth it?

Oh yeah,

I can't have a rig without filters myself. Some don't like the way they look, but I do. I like the contrast of the flat black against the gloss. Also the higher profile of the filters sort of break up the flat panel box look. I think I'm going to get some custom stuff milled with some sort of filter casing like these have. These particular filters don't seem to restrictive or noisey.

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

Oh yeah,

I can't have a rig without filters myself. Some don't like the way they look, but I do. I like the contrast of the flat black against the gloss. Also the higher profile of the filters sort of break up the flat panel box look. I think I'm going to get some custom stuff milled with some sort of filter casing like these have. These particular filters don't seem to restrictive or noisey.

andyc


thanks for the info bro, i plan on ordering a few soon.

[mcoffey]

No problem, however I can help, that's what we're here for:up:

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

^^thanks :up:

[Odin Eidolon]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8I85o4JI/AAAAAAAAC1I/j_Vc-Cv8754/s800/DSC_0015.JPG


oh. thats some fans uh? there will be a tornado in there :coke:

[breezyjr]

wow.... very nice work...!!! :up:

Joe_Breezy

[mcoffey]

oh. thats some fans uh? there will be a tornado in there :coke:

20 fans spinning total, and the most silent rig I've ever run. Just amazed at how quiet I was able to set it up. And it does help that the rad box sits on the floor down low away from where I sit I believe.

wow.... very nice work...!!! :up:

Joe_Breezy

Thanks, I couldn't be more happy with the way it turned out on all fronts. Still some tweaking here and there, but I really do think I designed this one right from the start.

andyc

[TedShred]

Oh Lordy....

now that's impressive

wow

[Snyxxx]

Andy, maybe I missed this, but how did you mount the three reservoirs? Are they supported by the side panel? Or did you make a support that spans the gap?

I would like to see the PSU mounted horizontally to allow a full radiator in the top. I assume it is not possible to put a PA series with fans there due to the PSU? Right?

[mcoffey]

Andy, maybe I missed this, but how did you mount the three reservoirs? Are they supported by the side panel? Or did you make a support that spans the gap?

I would like to see the PSU mounted horizontally to allow a full radiator in the top. I assume it is not possible to put a PA series with fans there due to the PSU? Right?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vEYt9jQI/AAAAAAAACzE/299gvPi88Oc/s800/DSC_0001-2.JPG

The right side and middle res, see how the knurled fittings are at the bottom? Those are temp while I get something custom milled, but they support all 3 res's at the bottom of the case, while the 3 top and bottom res holders interconnect to support the res on the left. The bottom fittings actually feed the fluid thru the pass thru fitting, to the rad box. It works really good to, fairly ridgid, and allow's me to remove the back panel for maintanence.

Made things much cleaner.

andyc

[Snyxxx]

OK, I see it now. I forgot how you can adjacently connect the EK reservoir brackets. Thanks.

[smee]

DANG andy.... your a crazy nut. that looks flippin awesome!!!!!

system specs?

[mcoffey]

Opps sorry, missed your post and question.

Hardware:

CPU: Q9650 4.25, 1.37v, 9x472 FSB
GPU: SLI EVGA GTX 280 756/1566/1248
MEM: GSkill DDR-3 1600, CAS 8 timings, 1888 Mem Speed, 2:1 divider
MB: EVGA 790i Ultra
HD: Seagate 250's in Raid 0
PSU: Corsair HX 1000

Cooling:

CPU Loop 1: EK Supreme, Twin TC PA 120.3, Twin D-5's
GPU Loop 2: EVGA Hydro FC blocks, Twin TC PA 120.3, Twin D-5's
Chipset Loop 3: BP NB/SB combo blocks, BP mosfet blocks, Single TC PA 120.3, Single DDC-3.2 XSPC top.

Controls:

Main Case: CyrstalFontz 635 USB fan controller
Rad Box: Sunbeam Rheobus EXTREME - 6 Channel 30 Watt Fan Controller 5.25"
Fans Main Case: All Yate Loon D12SM-12 x 8. Average RPM 975
Fans Rad Box: All Zalman ZM-F3 x 12. Average RPM 1100

Misc:

All BP fittings, except custom copper high flow elbows for rad interconnection in Rad Box
All Tubing Feser 1/2-3/4 UV Blue
2 White CCFL's, 2 UV Blue CCFL's
Sunbeam 4 port Molex Power Port x 2

Case:

Mountain Mods : Pinnacle 24 for main case
Mountial Mods : Custom Monacle 24 for Rad Box

That's pretty much everything.

andyc

[Naja002]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SXC8I85o4JI/AAAAAAAAC1I/j_Vc-Cv8754/s800/DSC_0015.JPG


Definitely a sweet build all around, but that external rad box has got to be one of the best executions in WCing that I have seen in a long time. Fantastic idea and even better follow-through....man, that's nice. :up:

Love the air filters idea....

[disturbed13]

i love the tripple res set up
thats just drool worthy
i need a bib
so do they hold the coolant hot?
or does it go through the rads first?

[mcoffey]

Definitely a sweet build all around, but that external rad box has got to be one of the best executions in WCing that I have seen in a long time. Fantastic idea and even better follow-through....man, that's nice. :up:

Love the air filters idea....


Thanks, much appreciated.:up:

i love the tripple res set up
thats just drool worthy
i need a bib
so do they hold the coolant hot?
or does it go through the rads first?

Routing goes....res/pump/rad/blocks/res on all three loops. Temp diff is only around .5c thruout the entire loop, so you could change the routing around any way you wanted.

CPU fluid only runs around 27-28.5c under 100% load, so still pretty cool to the touch.

Glad you enjoy the build. I love it. Even with 20 fans spinning, makes less noise than my wife's Dell did. Just one of the benefits of hi pro LC setups.

andyc

[Oli4v]

Mcoffey's MMbuild, I'm lovin' it :)

[Worthy]

I had no idea that case was as big as it is. the pics on the MM site don't do justice.
Massive. Great build with many clever little nuances.

Kickass job Andy. That's definitely a hardcore rig.

[mcoffey]

Thanks very much everyone,

This one pretty much represents everything I know about building a hi pro LC rig. It really was a lot of fun getting it all together, and the MM case made it possible.

andyc

[Worthy]

Thanks very much everyone,

This one pretty much represents everything I know about building a hi pro LC rig. It really was a lot of fun getting it all together, and the MM case made it possible.

andyc

You have more fittings in your one toolbox than I do in my machine. lol

[Oli4v]

You have more fittings in your one toolbox than I do in my machine. lol

even than I have in 2 WC-ed machines :P

[mcoffey]

Oddly enough, most of those fitting went into that rig. They're, worse than crack I tell you.:rofl:

andyc

[p0Pe]

HAHA! how did i miss this? that external rad box is CRAZY man! nice work, and even nicer planning. great build. only thing i would scrap is thoose orange sip ties:P

[mcoffey]

Thanks man, they're neon yellow, and I love um as an accent. Work really could and easy to take on and off.

The orange one's were for mock up and dry fitting.

All neon yellow now,

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vEYt9jQI/AAAAAAAACzE/299gvPi88Oc/s800/DSC_0001-2.JPG


andyc

[Septim]

very nice organized box. :coolup:

[subset7]

Nice and tidy,I like it :)

[Chicken Patty]

very nicely put together Andy, like that pic a lot :D

[mcoffey]

Thanks very much guys, means a lot.:up:

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

Thanks very much guys, means a lot.:up:

andyc

anytime Andy :cheers: You deserve nothing less

[p0Pe]

why didnt you just buy 3 mo-ra´s and hock them up with 3*9 fans in a bigmac liking thingie:D

JK/ looks great man!

[zlojack]

Looks like a big fat bag of shit, Andy. Did you build that with your fucking eyes closed? No dust? Fans not held on by zip-ties? You consider this to be the pinnacle of watercooling? WTF? The tubes all match! Come on man! Your rads don't even overlap so hot air from one will blow onto the other one! Shit man!

:D

[Chicken Patty]

Looks like a big fat bag of shit, Andy. Did you build that with your fucking eyes closed? No dust? Fans not held on by zip-ties? You consider this to be the pinnacle of watercooling? WTF? The tubes all match! Come on man! Your rads don't even overlap so hot air from one will blow onto the other one! Shit man!

:D
:rofl:

[Worthy]

Thanks man, they're neon yellow, and I love um as an accent. Work really could and easy to take on and off.

The orange one's were for mock up and dry fitting.

All neon yellow now,

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_BTn9YHMni9Y/SW6vEYt9jQI/AAAAAAAACzE/299gvPi88Oc/s800/DSC_0001-2.JPG


andyc

The one thing that drives me insane about taking pics of my machine (aside from the fact that i suck) is the reflection in the window you always get.

But that is a great looking machine andy. Good job!:rockon:

[mcoffey]

Thanks much,

Yeah..I've sense gotten a polarized filter that takes the glare out, but haven't retaken the pics.

It was pretty tuff getting that one:D

andyc

[Mr_Armageddon]

Nice job. I really like the size of that case, and how you did the management/location of all the liquid cooling components.

[DexNfX]

:banana:Box O' Fittings....niiiiiiiiiiiiice.