Just couldn't help myself--WaterCool MO-RA 2 PRO RAD

[mcoffey]

I've always been fascinated with tube type rads. So when I saw this one come out, just had to try something different and give it a whirl.

As with the CPU Blocks, Watercool's MO RA Rad's fit and finish is exceptional. The brushed stainless steel finish is gorgeous to look at. Tightly packed cooling fins with black powder coat finish is flawless, with not one bent or out of place pin.

The PRO Model comes with the SS casing, and you get the 9 fan holder in the same finish separately. Combined, a pretty nice system. The fan casing attaches via 4 long hex bolts that stick out enough to act as standoffs if you want to mount to the side on a case externally. About 220 USD list for both pieces.

Fins are tightly packed. I'd say about the same as a air conditioners condenser fins. But the point is to move some air thur the fins for good cooling given the size of the rad. So that should be easy enough while maintaining a decent degree of silence. I'd estimate the flow restriction to that of a GTX 480, but nothing any good dual pump setup can't handle.

Here's the yada yada from the web site.

Product Details:

From gigantic extent and achievement our new MO-RA is 2 radiators. The data speak for itself, about 24 m copper tube and 3.5 square meters sheet metal per MO-RA were blocked. The cooling water flows three-way parallel by 60 tubing rows. The fins MO-racing are particularly optimized on a passive employment. By the gigantic surface of the radiator and efficient geometry extremely good cooling performance is guaranteed. The three-way parallel circuit of the tubing rows provides, despite very large surface, for a small flow resistance. Standardized G ¼ thread pattern and several mounting holes or thread make the installation extremely easy. The surface all MO-racing is black powder-coated. Our absolute Top model of the MO-RA 2 radiators is the MO-RA 2 PRO, this all features of the core version plus a complete stainless steel housing. By means of flexible of building block principle everyone can adapt its MO-RA, e.g. the PRO version with exhaust screen, everything fits perfectly. The core version must be easily adapted, before it can be used with the exhaust screen. The exhaust screen makes a true cooling power station ready fit from a MO-RA 2, with a maximum 9 exhaust fans. This heat exchanger is a whole cluster of extreme performance for system cooling.

Technical data:

Material: Pipes copper, fins aluminum
Measures outside (L x B x H): 424 x 385 x 54mm
Weight: approx. 2500g
Pressure tested: 20 bar
Surface: black coats
Connection: 2x thread G 1/4" thread
Scope of supply:

1x MORA 2 core
1x assembly material

Here's some pics. A comparison with the PA 120.3 thermal performance coming soon. I just figured I'd post a few pics for now. Don't mind the finger prints. The rads SS is rapped in protective plastic after manufacturing, and it preserved the finish perfectly. But, wasn't the easiest thing get off ;)

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0003%282%29.JPG

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Main thing for me, it's different and something new to try. I don't expect it to perform as well as 3 120.3 rads, it doesn't have to to meet my expectations. Just has to offer above average cooling above a typical high end rad, like the one I have one my bench now. I can't think of a better match for my MC bench.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0047-1.JPG

We'll see soon enough as far as thermal performance goes.

enjoy,

andyc

[RedRaider]

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[Langer]

When you have one of these:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/th_prometheus-watercool-shop-10.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/prometheus-watercool-shop-10.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/th_prometheus-watercool-shop-11.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/prometheus-watercool-shop-11.jpg)
Anything is possible... and to perfection it would seem.

More machine pr0n courtesy of Trumpf here (https://www.trumpf-bilddatenbank.de/trumpfbdb/Search.jsp?language=en-GB&web=bdb_all_users&&search_action=thesaurus&th_id=708&search_term=TRUMATIC%201000%20ROTATION&view=minigallery).

Again - hats off to Rico and his team.
:htk:

[ballz0r]

cant wait to see your numbers :up:

[mcoffey]

Just ordered (at least I hope they're the correct versions) 2 new DDC-3.25's, EK tops and 9 ZM-F3's to finish the parts up so I can get this thing on line. Nice think about the ZM's, they come with the resistors to run at low speed so I don't need a controller. Should be up and running by the end of the week:D

andyc

[Cutless009]

What was the total price you paid for this beaut?

[mcoffey]

What was the total price you paid for this beaut?

220.00 and change was the list price.

andyc

[HESmelaugh]

Nice! Very popular radiator where I come from.

Looking forward to seeing some data on it. :)

[mcoffey]

Nice! Very popular radiator where I come from.

Looking forward to seeing some data on it. :)

Tell ya what, the EURO's got some pretty kick ass LC gear. The more I start to get into it, the more I like the stuff I get from across the pond. There's just a certain style along with great fit and finish.

The rest of the stuff should be here Thursday, just shipped :up:

andyc

[ballz0r]

lol.... andy will be using 6mm pipes soon :D

[TedShred]

You sure don't see one of those everyday. It looks gorgeous :up:

[mcoffey]

lol.... andy will be using 6mm pipes soon :D

LOL...I don't know about all that. I'd be the first to admit, that 3/4 inch tubing can be a bitch to work with sometimes compared to thinner tubing. But I don't think I could bare to look down at anything other than my beloved 3/4" tubing on one of my builds. I'm just stuck on it.

andyc

[alejo]

andy, so the 9 fan holder is bought seperate? I was thinking of getting one of these also.

Looks great!

[mcoffey]

andy, so the 9 fan holder is bought seperate? I was thinking of getting one of these also.

Looks great!

Yep,
The one I got doesn't look the same as pictured on their site or P-PC's, and I'm glad of it. I'd much rather have the fan holder I received, looks much much better IMO.

I think the one pictured is for the core only version on the MO RA for adapting to a PRO type version with fans. But that would leave the back side exposed.

andyc

[HESmelaugh]

Yeah, go for those 6mm-tubes! Actually, thin tubing is going out of style around here fast.

Funnily enough, while German engineered stuff (Watercool, Aqua Computer) seems to be getting more and more popular in the US, people around here seem to be trending towards thicker tubing, stronger pumps and such. ^^

[zlojack]

Could be a bit of a crossover?

Some of the blocks and stuff which are really nice crossing over, while the stronger pumps and higher flow going back?

[alejo]

Shane, I noticed that too. When I first started looking at HWLUXX back in 2006, almost everyone had either 10/8 or 11/8 with some haveing 8/6. Now almost everyone is at 13/10 or 16/10 or bigger.

It's weird though. There's still some differences. Like I can't remember the last time I saw a German system with 2 loops.

Anyway andy, that's nice to know. I almost ordered just the Mora Pro. Too bad it's out of stock already. Incidentally, I've seen some nice solutions for wiring 9 fans on the Mora.

[mcoffey]

Shane, I noticed that too. When I first started looking at HWLUXX back in 2006, almost everyone had either 10/8 or 11/8 with some haveing 8/6. Now almost everyone is at 13/10 or 16/10 or bigger.

It's weird though. There's still some differences. Like I can't remember the last time I saw a German system with 2 loops.

Anyway andy, that's nice to know. I almost ordered just the Mora Pro. Too bad it's out of stock already. Incidentally, I've seen some nice solutions for wiring 9 fans on the Mora.

hey,

Send me some pics or links, I'd love to see some other idea's.

andyc

[alejo]

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showthread.php?t=253868

Check out that thread. It's in German, but there's lots of pictures that might give you ideas for mounting and so on.

[HESmelaugh]

Yep, that's the perfect thread (the one linked by alejo).

Also, just to get an impression of what some of the rigs around here look like, check into here from time to time: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showthread.php?t=583458&page=41

It's a general pics thread but there are frequently posts showing finished rigs.

And yes, alejo, multiple loops are still sort of a no-no in Germany, it seems. I have something planned that might change that, though. :D

[mcoffey]

Cool,

I went thru ever page on alejo's link. Unbelievable what some of those guys did with the MO RA rad. One guy hung it out is window, that was pretty cool.

andyc

[Langer]

Funnily enough, while German engineered stuff (Watercool, Aqua Computer) seems to be getting more and more popular in the US, people around here seem to be trending towards thicker tubing, stronger pumps and such. ^^

I wonder how much of that has to do with the increase in heat output by hardware.

A 120mm rad and 6mm tube just can't handle itself any more.


The massive growth of this industry is probably also a factor... there was a time when acceptable fittings are hardware were few and far between. Small bore tubing and fittings were really the only widespread options.

[mcoffey]

Well,

Just checked UPS, and everything in on schedule for tomorrow for the fans and pumps. I should have some real fun come this weekend.

andyc

[HESmelaugh]

Don't forget to post pics of your goodies. :)

[mcoffey]

And now for the rest of the story:D

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0001-1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0004-1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0006-1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0011-1.JPG

I'll be getting all this together now:D Haven't been this excited over a rad in a long time.

andyc

[LowBrowser]

Looks awesome, and looking forward to more pictures. They, well this describes it best I think :crack:

[Septim]

sounds like a good week for everybody...
hopefully all your packages arrive, then we can get some numbers from this big bad boy...

[mcoffey]

Just about ready to set up, pumps all ready, fans mounted, just need to give the rad a quick flush and away we go:D

What's prettier than this.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0029.JPG

andyc

[Snyxxx]

We have similar tastes my friend.

http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/Snyxxx/Pump%20Sandwich/63ef2e8f.jpg

[Langer]

mcoffey:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/30352.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/30351.jpg
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[CrazyJoe]

:up: Now THAT makes sense !

[Cutless009]

Langer: Give it to me or I will destroy you in the face repeatedly.

[mcoffey]

mcoffey:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/30351-alt.jpg

Nice,

Only problem for me would be the versatility in combination with the EK res. Plus a little better performance when going with two pump separately from what I under stand. It's a real looker though, no doubt about it.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0031.JPG

andyc

[RedRaider]

Thanks Langer...:2up:

I'm going to add a Watercool 2xDDC top to the current order...:crack:

[Snyxxx]

The problem with the Watercool dual top is the same problem all the dual tops have, the 90° suction inlet starves the pump.

This is why years ago we all drilled out the top of the stock pumps which almost doubled performance.

Andy is correct, two separate pumps will outperform the dual top option.

[mcoffey]

Just about ready to go. Running one more 2 pumps test with the DDC-3.25's, and then I can swap the PA out for the MO RA rad. One things for sure, WC didn't do anyone any favors by making a 25mm fan holder 28mm deep. You can get the fans and wiring all underneath and enclosed, but it's tuffer than Chinese arithmetic figuring it out:rofl: Once I move the rad to a rig, I'll mod the fan holder and get everything underneath, but this config will work for now.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0004-3.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0006-3.JPG

results coming today.

andyc

[ballz0r]

is there a reason you put fans on the outside?

[Langer]

You can get the fans and wiring all underneath and enclosed, but it's tuffer than Chinese arithmetic figuring it out;rofl: Once I move the rad to a rig, I'll mod the fan holder and get everything underneath, but this config will work for now.

READ!

[mcoffey]

is there a reason you put fans on the outside?

Yeah,

Cause I didn't feel like modding the fan holder right now. The fans are all side by side mounts. The fans are easy to mount all inside, but the fans sleeved wiring another sorry.

andyc

[ballz0r]

ahhh ok.... sorry im a bit tired

been waiting all day to see the results from this :D

[mcoffey]

ahhh ok.... sorry im a bit tired

been waiting all day to see the results from this :D

LOL...got sucked into testing, I've been waiting all day too:D

andyc

[CrazyJoe]

The problem with the Watercool dual top is the same problem all the dual tops have, the 90° suction inlet starves the pump.

This is why years ago we all drilled out the top of the stock pumps which almost doubled performance.

Andy is correct, two separate pumps will outperform the dual top option.

Ya beat me to it ... I was going to point out the need to have an optional inlet on the top of the pump.

I wonder if a better design could be had ... :hmm:

[mcoffey]

So how would that work. Feed the dual inlets with a Y and then only one outlet? That would be more parallel than in series wouldn't it?

andyc

[CrazyJoe]

Well, no "Y" fitting.

Just have a center inlet on the right side of the block and plug off the one from the front. ( that left port is the outlet )

The downside is that the second block is still getting its suction fed from a side feed rather than over the center. Here's where the design would need to be modified further yet so that the internal discharge from the 1st pump could be directed over the center of the second, rather than to the side as it is now.

That would/should give the 2x ddc top the same capability as your double mount design ... which still looks damned cool !! :D

[HESmelaugh]

FYI: That Watercool Dual Laing case doesn't perform very well. Not nearly as good as the EK dual top.

[Hondacity]

FYI: That Watercool Dual Laing case doesn't perform very well. Not nearly as good as the EK dual top.

i agree:D

[Odin Eidolon]

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andyc

what's that fan port replicator on the right?

[mcoffey]

2 of the Sunbeam Tech 6 port 3 pin fan splitters. Thank goodness I had them stashed away. I would've been a real bitch to do a 9 fan harness. And yet another advantage of using ZM-F3's. They come with the 65 ohm resisters that step the fans down to around 900 RPM without using a controller, and they still move a good bit of air with decent pressure. Run quiet that way too.

andyc

[Odin Eidolon]

2 of the Sunbeam Tech 6 port 3 pin fan splitters. Thank goodness I had them stashed away. I would've been a real bitch to do a 9 fan harness. And yet another advantage of using ZM-F3's. They come with the 65 ohm resisters that step the fans down to around 900 RPM without using a controller, and they still move a good bit of air with decent pressure. Run quiet that way too.

andyc

i've always wondered if its possible to supply the splitter with less voltage. Say, i give him 7 volts, will it deliver 7 volts to the fans?

[mcoffey]

You should be able to, but not with this unit. You can't control the 12v supply with a fan controller. I already tried it. Something weird with the splitters circuit board feeding off the 5 volt side too. Wont work unless all 4 pins of the main molex connector are powered. Has to do with the LED's on the unit and how the voltage is crossed over thur them or something. AT least I couldn't get it to work, and burned one channel out on my FC trying:D

You could make your own easier than trying to convert these.

andyc

[Odin Eidolon]

You should be able to, but not with this unit. You can't control the 12v supply with a fan controller. I already tried it. Something weird with the splitters circuit board feeding off the 5 volt side too. Wont work unless all 4 pins of the main molex connector are powered. Has to do with the LED's on the unit and how the voltage is crossed over thur them or something. AT least I couldn't get it to work, and burned one channel out on my FC trying:D

You could make your own easier than trying to convert these.

andyc

thanks mcoffey, good info

[mcoffey]

Holly shit fella's, we may have a winner. UFB so far. Not sure exactly how long it takes for this much fluid to equalize, but right now I'm showing a sub 2c Delta T. With the same exact set up on the PA 120.3, I was seeing a 5.5c Delta T.

That's the lowest Delta I've ever seen. Even lower than dual PA 120.3's. The MO RA rad has far excedded my expectations so far:up: The nine ZM-F3's spinning at 900 RPM noise level is very exceptable.

It's seems like everything has leveled out, I'll have some number soon.

So much fun,

andyc

[Snyxxx]

Exciting news. Keep up the good work Andy.

[mcoffey]

Freaking sub 60 core temp average, with a 25c ambient running prime 95 8k in place FFT's with HT on. Pretty damn impressive IMO.

That's one way to tame these hot running bitches:D

andyc

[Hondacity]

sub 60 with what which waterblock?

[mcoffey]

kl-350, but I'm liking the HK3 with this rad even more

andyc

[ballz0r]

wow nice delta

[BiNGE]

How much does one of those costs, I'd be interested in one since I'm in the market for a new rad :D

[ZeniTH]

How much does one of those costs, I'd be interested in one since I'm in the market for a new rad :D


$ 170 on P-PC's... but is OOS :(
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&manufacturers_id=174&products_id=25231

[ballz0r]

OT Posts deleted

Lets try to keep the focus on Andys results

[mcoffey]

Here's a shot of what it looks like on the bench. I'll get some final numbers out later.

Freakin thing looks like the Borg or something.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0001-4.JPG

andyc

[ballz0r]

can you feel much air pushing thru the rad?

id be really interested in air in/air out temps too if you can be bothered

[mcoffey]

can you feel much air pushing thru the rad?

id be really interested in air in/air out temps too if you can be bothered

Yep, I'll get you something. Fans have their work cut out for them, that's for sure. But my plan was just to move some air thur the rad so it wouldn't be passive, and the ZM's running at low speed seem to do the trick.

Yes to answer your first question, but nowhere near as much as you would thru a PA running those fans at 900 RPM.

And I still have a saturation question I need answered. For some reason my gut tells me it won't scale 1 for 1 and far as Delta T goes. In other words, you double the heat dump and the Delta would more than double. I think once the heat dump reaches a certain point, heat will start to build up due to the fin density and not much air moving thru, but I still have to figure a way to test and confirm that. Just a suspicion I have at this point more than anything else.

andyc

[mcoffey]

Well here tis,

Rad air out is the same as the fluid temps.

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/Book1%203232009%2010818%20PM.jpg

andyc

[Nickel020]

Thanks for doing the testing, this confirms again that the Mo-Ra mounted to my side panel was a good choice :)

One thing I don't udnerstand though, the Air/Fluid Delta T is 3.66C better for the Mo-Ra, yet the Mo-Ra has a 4.51C better Core Temp? How do you explain this?
In my tests as well every other test I've seen the pressure drop (i.e. flow rate) of the Mo-Ra is a little worse than that of a Thermochill, so the Core Temp difference should theoretically be smaller than the Air/Fluid Delta T difference.

[ballz0r]

Rad air out is the same as the fluid temps.

thanks for the results :up:

are you saying that the air out of the rad is the same temp as your fluid? That would mean that the rad is 100% efficient!!!

can you check that the temp probe isnt touching the rad?

if the readings are correct, you might want to try dialing those fans up to 12V

[Septim]

10v 12v could pretty much even out / balance / give more benefit to this rad.

[mcoffey]

thanks for the results :up:

are you saying that the air out of the rad is the same temp as your fluid? That would mean that the rad is 100% efficient!!!

can you check that the temp probe isnt touching the rad?

if the readings are correct, you might want to try dialing those fans up to 12V

Ahhhh.....

Why would I want to turn the fans up. And where are you getting that efficiency theory?

10v 12v could pretty much even out / balance / give more benefit to this rad.

How much more benefit are you looking for. You turn those fans up and there's hell to pay on the noise side.

andyc

[mcoffey]

Thanks for doing the testing, this confirms again that the Mo-Ra mounted to my side panel was a good choice :)

One thing I don't udnerstand though, the Air/Fluid Delta T is 3.66C better for the Mo-Ra, yet the Mo-Ra has a 4.51C better Core Temp? How do you explain this?
In my tests as well every other test I've seen the pressure drop (i.e. flow rate) of the Mo-Ra is a little worse than that of a Thermochill, so the Core Temp difference should theoretically be smaller than the Air/Fluid Delta T difference.

Assuming what regarding the DTS probes in the CPU? And what does pressure drop have to do with CPU temp differences and Delta T?

andyc

[ballz0r]

by 100% efficient I mean that the air physically cant absorb any more heat from the rad. if the air coming out of the rad is the same as the water temp its not cooling your fluid any more, its an indication that there is still more potential from this rad if the airflow was increased.

I totally understand your love for quiet cooling, but it would be really interesting to see just how much potential this rad has.

[HESmelaugh]

Nice results, man. :)

The more radiator testing I do, the more I'm conviced that it's all about frontal area.
Screw depth. :D

That's why I'm still hoping for more 140/280/420 radiators.

[mcoffey]

by 100% efficient I mean that the air physically cant absorb any more heat from the rad. if the air coming out of the rad is the same as the water temp its not cooling your fluid any more, its an indication that there is still more potential from this rad if the airflow was increased.

I totally understand your love for quiet cooling, but it would be really interesting to see just how much potential this rad has.

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee, but not sure how you can exceed 100%.

andyc

[Kayin]

It's not that you exceed 100%. It's that you enlarge the capacity, and see if it stays 100%.

[ballz0r]

100% efficiency at that air flow rate... increase the air flow rate and and you should get a drop in temps.... when the air coming out is lower than your water temps youll have hit the right balance

[mcoffey]

It's not that you exceed 100%. It's that you enlarge the capacity, and see if it stays 100%.

Exactly..you increase heat dump..that I understand.

I still have some stuff to do with the rad so I can get use to it. It's so much different than the other rads I've used as far as capacity and how it reacts to fans/heat dump,air flow Delta etc.

More info to come, those were more prelim numbers, but the base efficiency or Delta performance gain won't change much if any.

It's a little tricky measuring performance on a 15"x15" rad with 9 fans:D

andyc

[mcoffey]

Nice results, man. :)

The more radiator testing I do, the more I'm conviced that it's all about frontal area.
Screw depth. :D

That's why I'm still hoping for more 140/280/420 radiators.

Absolutely that's what it's all about, plain and simple. You want better LC, big a bigger rad, or more of them. Maybe there's more performance to be had with better CPU block for the i7, but not much more. And considering we're below a 2c delta with the MO RA, not a lot left there either.

And another word on rad performance and how the MO RA reacts. Remember that the MO-RA is constructed much different than the rad's we've been used to using. It's a tube design, not side tank design were the flow is primarily parallel. The fluid flow is more serial in design with the MA, with 3 parallel pipes. So now that I think about it, I need to figure out the best way to measure efficiency as far as air in, air out.

I'm measuring air out towards the top of the rad where the outlet is, which probably isn't the best way. I'll have to figure that one out. Maybe one probe towards the inlet, middle and outlet for rad air out.

Like I said, it's much different than the rads we use, so I have to get used to it. I'll move the probe around and see how the temps change.

andyc

[Kayin]

I would expect it is.

We appreciate the numbers, this helps me work on some other numbers I'm throwing around in my head...

[mcoffey]

One things for sure, this thing cools like a champ which was what I expected, but I didn't expect it to cool this well.

Maybe I'll slap the 2 GTX 295's on the with the i7, see if I can hear the rad scream for mercy any:rofl: Heat dump from that setup is absolutely vicious.

andyc

[Kayin]

Apparently this thing was lambasted for no reason.

Empirical testing, not theory should be the basis of this hobby.

[HESmelaugh]

Here are two suggestions of what you could try to test, in case you have more time to tinker with it:

- Measure air out behind the fan closest to the inlet and the one closest to the outlet. See if there's a difference.

- Use only three fans on it in two different scenarios: a) three fans right after inlet b) three fans right before outlet.

Both these tests would simply show how the water cools as it travels through the radiator. Just to toss some ideas out there, don't know if these tests would be worth the time they'd take to do.

[mcoffey]

Apparently this thing was lambasted for no reason.

Empirical testing, not theory should be the basis of this hobby.

Ain't it the truth:up: For me, I got to get my hands on something to find out what makes it tick and really form an opinion. That's how I got into testing to begin with, couldn't make sense out of some data I was seeing and what so called experts were saying as far as CPU block performance. Had to find out for myself.

andyc

[Nickel020]

Assuming what regarding the DTS probes in the CPU? And what does pressure drop have to do with CPU temp differences and Delta T?

andyc

Assuming linearity^^ If we don't trust that it's close to linear then we might as well stop testing.

Less pressure drop means more flow, and more flow means a lower water/CPU Delta T. Your testing shows it going exactly the other way.

This may also be because the assumption "a 1C higher water temp leads to a 1C higher CPU temp" is wrong. But the fact that the Core Temp difference is higher than the water temp difference raises some questions, i.e. why? is it the DTS in the CPU? Or something else?
If you were to slow down the fans on the Mo-Ra so that the Delta T is the same as with the Thermochill then theoretically the Core Temp should be slighly lower (more flow and less power consumption fromt he pump).

[mcoffey]

Assuming linearity^^ If we don't trust that it's close to linear then we might as well stop testing.

Less pressure drop means more flow, and more flow means a lower water/CPU Delta T. Your testing shows it going exactly the other way.

This may also be because the assumption "a 1C higher water temp leads to a 1C higher CPU temp" is wrong. But the fact that the Core Temp difference is higher than the water temp difference raises some questions, i.e. why? is it the DTS in the CPU? Or something else?
If you were to slow down the fans on the Mo-Ra so that the Delta T is the same as with the Thermochill then theoretically the Core Temp should be slighly lower (more flow and less power consumption fromt he pump).

Ya lost me.

All we have to go on is the Core Temps whether we like it or not. That's what I'm attempting to cool, the CPU, not the fluid in the rad. My results depict what you can expect to see in regards to Core Temp reduction using this rad compared to a PA 120.3.

Your assuming there's a direct 1 to 1 relationship between Core Temps and Fluid temps. There never has been, or ever will be. The 45nm Yorkie'e come close to scaling 1 to 1, but only within a certain temp range and only within a certain spread. At least based on all the testing I've done.

A lot of it has to do with DTS scaling and accuracy. Intel never designed the DTS probes to report accurate temps. Just temps relative to Tj- Max for CPU throttling when exceeding a certain temp.

Even if the DTS probes were calibrated accurately, your also assuming there's a 100% efficiency between fluid running thru the block and the cores as it relates to temperatures. That can't be. You can't transfer heat on a 1 to 1 basis from fluid/block base/TIM 1/IHS/TIM 2/Core casing/actual core. There's always leakage and/or insulators involved between fluid and where the DTS probes reside inside the core.

Bottom line, you have to take the results for what they are worth, a comparison not exact science.

Practically speaking, if we focused more on how much a particular piece of gear reduced temps on a component, as opposed to the numbers in and of themselves, we'd all be better of at LC'ing IMO. PQ curves, c/w, Delta T, etc. What good is that data if you can't show me how it directly equates to keeping the components in my LC loop cooler. Especially data comparing one piece of gear against another? i.e Fans, rads, pump, blocks.

At least that's the way I see it, and why I test.

andyc

[Hondacity]

Less pressure drop means more flow, and more flow means a lower water/CPU Delta T.

consider the fans pls:D

also low flow blocks like the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU k350 show otherwise

[mcoffey]

consider the fans pls:D

LOL..right..do me a favor, consider everything:D

andyc

[Hondacity]

lol

anyways mora2pro is in stock at you know who's shop... 220$(including the fanholder)

[mcoffey]

lol

anyways mora2pro is in stock at you know who's shop... 220$(including the fanholder)

Yep, I got mine for Hank at P-PC's, and he was really great about checking on stuff for me and answering my questions.

I always have a great experience with that shop.

One thing to note, the newer model of the fan holder is not the one shown on their site. It's the one pictured previously in my post. For some reason, WC still has the older version listed on their site and that's where P-PC's get the pics from.

andyc

[Hondacity]

they're the only that sell black shining stuff :) and ek v2 acryllics and male-male rotaries

but of course i get my clearflex from jabtech

and my un 3g-v2 stands are only available from gary

i like watercooling :D

[ballz0r]

One things for sure, this thing cools like a champ which was what I expected, but I didn't expect it to cool this well.

Maybe I'll slap the 2 GTX 295's on the with the i7, see if I can hear the rad scream for mercy any:rofl: Heat dump from that setup is absolutely vicious.

andyc

that id like to see :up:

man this rad is a beast... would you be able to test water in / water out?

I know we are a demanding bunch :D

[mcoffey]

they're the only that sell black shining stuff :) and ek v2 acryllics and male-male rotaries

but of course i get my clearflex from jabtech

and my un 3g-v2 stands are only available from gary

i like watercooling :D

Yeah, Sidewinders is great. I like getting what I can thru Gary when possible. Jab-tech has really taken care of me too, great customer service.

I'm with you. No way I'd survive cabin fever without my LC fix. Golf season is starting now, so I'll start winding down on gear and testing until the cold weather blows in again.

andyc

[Nickel020]

consider the fans pls:D

also low flow blocks like the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU k350 show otherwise

My statement is of course only true when everything else stays the same. I'm definitely not saying that low restriction blocks are better, what I'm saying is that if you pump more water through a block but keep everything else the same (i.e. constant water temp) then CPU temp will decrease.

@mcoffey
We're kinda talking about different things here. Basically what I'm wondering is what you think the cause for the Core Temp difference being bigger than the water temp difference is. Is it just the DTS (I know it's not, just asking for theorie's sake)? 0.85C (or more) inaccuracy would be pretty bad then. Or is it just that Core Temp increases faster than water temp (i.e. 1C more water causes >1C Core temp increase).
As I said, it would be interesting to see what the Core Temp is when you decrease the fan speed on the Mo-Ra so the water temp is the same as with the Thermochill. Core Temp should then be the same (or sligthly worse because of the lower flow rate in the whole system when you change from Thermochill to Mo-Ra).

I guess the measurement of the "air in" temp can't really be a problem here since you're probably measuring "air in" at pretty much the same position relative to the fan on both rads I assume. Water temp should also be accurate, so the only thing that could cause this phenomenom is unproportional CPU/water temp scaling or DTS inaccuracy.

How the CPU Temp scales with water temp would also be a very intersting thing to examine more closely for different coolers, I guess that it may be possible that different coolers don't scale equally well. I.e. one cooler is better for a low water temp loop while the other is better for a high water temp loop, while they both perform the same in a medium/normal water temp loop.
I'll have to do some work on the theory here though and then try some empirical experiments There's still so much stuff that's unknown and needs testing. I don't really know where to start and how to find the time for all of this testing though...

[mcoffey]

that id like to see :up:

man this rad is a beast... would you be able to test water in / water out?

I know we are a demanding bunch :D

I was thinking about checking that too. I have another Dallas probe modded for fluid monitoring, I might just have to slap it on before I get to busy with Golf.

This thing is a trip man, I'm still figuring out how it acts, and why it's acting the way it does. Things been out for years. Not sure why it hasn't gotten more exposure than it has in the US.

Only so many places you can put the big ass thing as far as a cases go, but it's a mack daddy LC bench monster for sure. Would look sweet in black powder coat sitting on top my 343-B though.

consider the fans pls:D

also low flow blocks like the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU k350 show otherwise

And one thing I might of forgot to mention. I'm pushing with these fans, because that's the way I run them when possible.

andyc

[mcoffey]

Now what kind of review woudl this be without a little passive testing on a rad like this.

Here's the results.

Don't do it:D Fluid temps has already reached 38c after 10 minutes, and still climbing. Core temps already in the 70's.

Now let me shut this thing down before I burn something up:eek:

andyc

[HESmelaugh]

Here's the results.

Don't do it:D

Thanks for testing.
I guess passive is more or less out with the kinds of heat loads we have these days...

[mcoffey]

Thanks for testing.
I guess passive is more or less out with the kinds of heat loads we have these days...

Yeah,

Maybe it would do better if it was horizontal with a good 4-6" clearance top and bottom. Before I could get the fans turned back on, fluid was 44c with 76c core temps. When I kicked the fans back on, felt like I opened a over door or something. Kind of shocked me at first. I thought something was catching on fire until I realized what it was. :rofl:

andyc

[Hondacity]

was that cpu loop only? i haven't really pushed my 480 in passive :D

[mcoffey]

was that cpu loop only? i haven't really pushed my 480 in passive :D

Yep,

I didn't expect it to do any better. Hell, I've heated fluid up enough to get the rad warm with just the pumps running before.

Just an incredible difference once even the smallest amount air is moving thru the fins. I do think flipping it over horizontal would work better. Once the convection started, some decent air would have to start moving thru the fins as long as you had enough clearance. You figure a 20-25c air differential from top tp bottom would create some pretty good lift.

And no before anyone asks:D

andyc

[alejo]

Man, I really want one of these. From what I've seen on the German forums, a lot of people simply mount it on the side of a tower...even on a regular mid-tower it looks good on the side.

andy, how was in terms of cleaning it? Was there any crud in it like in TC radiators?

[ballz0r]

And no before anyone asks:D

:haha3: rofl

[mcoffey]

Man, I really want one of these. From what I've seen on the German forums, a lot of people simply mount it on the side of a tower...even on a regular mid-tower it looks good on the side.

andy, how was in terms of cleaning it? Was there any crud in it like in TC radiators?

That was the best part. I hit it with Prestone rad flush and hot distilled one time. Flushed it with hot tap water, rinsed with distilled and I was done. Took 10 minutes. This is all continuous tubing pretty much, so no solder joints and flux like a normal rad because it doesn't use tubes and side tanks.

Fluid is crystal clear.

andyc

[Naja002]

Apparently this thing was lambasted for no reason.

Empirical testing, not theory should be the basis of this hobby.


Agreed. Nice to see somebody actually checking this rad out and providing some decent numbers. :up:

[mcoffey]

Yeah,

Not sure how far I'll go with putting it in a build, but it's just prefect for bench work. Awesome performance and the build quality is beautiful.

andyc

[ballz0r]

youve got me thinking of getting one for my htpc now... I even measured up the tv cabinet, perfect fit.... damn you :)

[systemviper]

Wow a beautiful rig, that is just so sweet, WOW!

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0047-1.JPG

[mcoffey]

Thanks,

It really is a nice bench, just a bit on the expensive side. My major concern was the acrylic holding up under the pounding a bench usually takes, but the acrylic is very tuff and thick, so no problems so far. One of the best features is the removable MB tray. Can't beat that when it comes to block testing.

Not to hard on the eyes either:D

andyc

[Hondacity]

wow that cpu is awesome! i bet that can do 4.3ghz-4.4ghz :D

[mcoffey]

wow that cpu is awesome! i bet that can do 4.3ghz-4.4ghz :D

yeah...I'm about to slap the twin GTX 295's on that bench and really go for some personal record benchmarks across the board.

I haven't even got down on the CPU yet..it's a early batch, and seem to do pretty good.

Now that I'm getting the SSD's tunned, I'm hoping to get some good scores with all the BS services chopped out.

andyc

[Snyxxx]

Impressive Andy! I do not know which gave me a woody, the temps or your background.:D

[RedRaider]

Awesome Andy....:2up:

[Worthy]

Um...I just couldn't help myself either.:crack:

[Hondacity]

hahhaha i wonder how your idle temps would be with ummm the new rad :D

[Worthy]

hahhaha i wonder how your idle temps would be with ummm the new rad :D

Better than they are now! pfffsh!:D

[Migi06]

2 of the Sunbeam Tech 6 port 3 pin fan splitters. Thank goodness I had them stashed away. I would've been a real bitch to do a 9 fan harness. And yet another advantage of using ZM-F3's. They come with the 65 ohm resisters that step the fans down to around 900 RPM without using a controller, and they still move a good bit of air with decent pressure. Run quiet that way too.

andyc

Are you sure that they are 65 ohm resisters?. Shops and zalman website says that they are 56 ohm (also called Zalman RC56) and its rated 7-7.5V and measured to 7.6V http://www.custompc.co.uk/labs/248397/zalman-rc100-and-rc56.html

Also RC100 (should be 100 ohm resister) is rated 5.5 and measured to 5.9V. According to martins fan test http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2815/1drpmvsvolts.png
and other people opinions zalman needs ~5V to 900rpm. So I'm guessing that your "900rpm Mo-Ra vs 1350rpm PA" test is pretty wrong...

But I ordered ZM-MFC1nonplus(Awesome controller... unlimited power in chan 5/6, pretty awesome for 9/18 mora fans :crack:) and Z-MF3.. So I test it and check that resistor.

[mcoffey]

Well thanks for the input....I went by the color codes on the resistor itself, which showed 65 ohms. I was just going by what Zalman stated as the RPM with resistor.

Dimensions 120(L) X 120(W) X 25(H) mm
Weight 164g
Speed Silent Mode 900 RPM ±15% Normal Mode 1800 RPM ± 10%
Noise Level Silent Mode 20 dB ± 15% Low-noise Mode 34 dB ± 10%
Bearing Type Sleeve

So if the RPM is significantly above 900 RPM, which I doubt it is, still doesn't change the results, just the RPM value on the MORA fans. I did the test and posted the results as a baseline comparison, so people could know what to expect between the 2 rads.

be that as it may, if you feel like getting a MORA rad, PA 120.3, 12 ZM-F3's along with the proper measuring gear and retest yourself showing a different Delta T, I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.

If your just out to prove my (and Zalmans) RPM estimate is off on the MORA rad fans, knock yourself out:D Still doesn't change the fact that the MORA rad is the performance king and has almost triple a PA 120.3's thermal capacity.

andyc

[Migi06]

Well thanks for the input....I went by the color codes on the resistor itself, which showed 65 ohms. I was just going by what Zalman stated as the RPM with resistor.


Thats really good to know, so zalman website and shops are wrong about that resistor or something..

Dimensions 120(L) X 120(W) X 25(H) mm
Weight 164g
Speed Silent Mode 900 RPM ±15% Normal Mode 1800 RPM ± 10%
Noise Level Silent Mode 20 dB ± 15% Low-noise Mode 34 dB ± 10%
Bearing Type Sleeve

These shops says silent mode is 7.5V 900rpm:
http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=75_126&products_id=594
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-002-ZA

And some Finland shops are rating silent mode for 1000rpm.

In the review they got ~1100rpm with that resistor.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/fan-roundup_10.html#sect0


So if the RPM is significantly above 900 RPM, which I doubt it is, still doesn't change the results, just the RPM value on the MORA fans. I did the test and posted the results as a baseline comparison, so people could know what to expect between the 2 rads.

be that as it may, if you feel like getting a MORA rad, PA 120.3, 12 ZM-F3's along with the proper measuring gear and retest yourself showing a different Delta T, I'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.

If your just out to prove my (and Zalmans) RPM estimate is off on the MORA rad fans, knock yourself out:D Still doesn't change the fact that the MORA rad is the performance king and has almost triple a PA 120.3's thermal capacity.

Dont get me wrong, your test is really good, but that RPM isnt tested and that is the only thing wich confuse me (just because zalman and shops says that resistor is RC56 so it cant be running on 900rpm more like 1100rpm, so I will buy one and sort that out).

I have been lurking to watercooling many years now and 5months ago I did buy my first water gear (I did have TRUE with low speed fans and mods in my Q6600 and it wasnt enough). I know that you are watercooling veteran and dont have nothing against of you, just opposite. I´m glad you tested this radiator, because I always wanted to buy this RAD but in extremeforums everyone are saying that is shit(round tubes/too many over 90 angles/flowkiller) and I knew that many of those things were wrong cos they thought that was same Rad than MagiCool XTREME NOVA 1080 also Bundymania's reviews says otherwise. Cant remember but I thought that Mora 1 was more like Magicool.. Now after your test I really can buy this awesome RAD :coolup:

For my self I´m silence freak so over 1000rpm are too loud for me, for me over 1000rpm is for benching. I already got 8 Nexus 120mm fans (They are 1000rpm Yate SL12 and they scale about 500-1100rpm) But I want upgrade them if Zalman is fine fan (both Noctuas S/P series were disapointing, Scythes were fine but a bit noisy bearings at 5v and Yates arent so big upgrade over Nexus). A better than zalman would be Scythe Gentletyphoon, but its too expensive if I buy 9/18 of them for MO-RA :D

My future project would be buy MO-RA 2 core and make external case for it +pump/s maybe own PSU and use push and pull with 120mm or 140mm fans or both :) Zalman would be best for silent/silence/benching (Passive/5V/12 perfect for my Zalman Controller) fan if MORA can run passive like in idle and if not then I´m considering to use one 220mm Yate and 9 Zalmans. This project can change if Thermochill get those awesome 140mm rads or MO-RA 3 comes out

Sorry for my long post and sorry if my english is too bad to read.

//Update Everest is showing 1173 rpm(sometimes jump up to 1318rpm, so basicly ~1200rpm) with that resistor.

[mcoffey]

Sounds like a great project, can't wait to see it come together. welcome to R3tech, great to have you.

I think you'll like the ZM-F3's. With the resistor, they run very quiet which is a major concern for me also. Slowed down even more with a fan controller, even better. One thing you might want to pay attention to, the draw around .30 amps, which is more than the average FC can handle with 9-10 fans.

Good luck and welcome to the forum,

andyc

[Migi06]

Thanks thats why I bought ZM-MFC1 (Did own MFC2, it was good but basicly it has 3 working fan channels.)

4 Channel - Adjustable Fan Speed Dials
- Maximum Power : 7.0W per channel 4*7=28W
- Maximum Adjustable Range: +6.5Vmax (=Vfan(max) - Vfan(min))
- Maximum Voltage Drop : +2.0Vmax (= Vpin(max) - Vfan(max))
- Extension cable length (4pcs): 400mm

2 Channel - Toggle Switches
- Maximum Power : Unlimited, as allowable by power supply capacity.
- Adjustable Range : Maximum voltage output or minimum voltage output.
So basicly it uses PSU 5v and 12v Lines from molex (5V switch use 5V molex+ground, 12V switch 12V molex+ground, there isnt any losses in voltages so they are real 5v/12v). Would be easy to make same switches but I´m too lazy :p

Plus version got 7.0W in all channel and better looking. I almoust bought Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme, but I like more those toggle switches. And Zalman use a bit over 2watts at maximum speed according to martins test. Fan specs like noise (Usually much noisier than specs says, ofc it depends wich company makes them) and power consumption (Usually just maximum peak power) usually arent fully right.

//OT off :)

[mcoffey]

OK..but 9 ZM-F3's run around 36 watts, the FC is only rated for a max of 28, so be careful.

good luck and have a blast,

andyc

[ShoNuff]

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0001-4.JPG

Hey Andy...I finally made up my mind and I'm going to go with the MO-RA 2. I was looking at HESmelaugh's review and thought...I need to stop messin' around with these "baby-man" (you gotta say it in your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice) rads and just get something that can really handle my triple sli set up. Go big or go home has always been my philosophy.:D I'm just thinking about where I am go to put it? I think I can get away with putting it on my desk behind my monitor (Dell 3008WFP).

My question to you is this. Based upon the way you have it "mounted" in the above pic, how secure is it? If I could make (or have one made) a cool stand the rad would be perfect. I have a very unique idea for the cables and tubing that is going to compliment the build.

edit: Are you using any quick connect/disconnect valves?

[Worthy]

sho, just bolt it to the side of your case like I did.
Read my thread in this section.

It worked out really well in that location.
They weigh 15-16 lbs empty though, so make sure your case is strong.

[mcoffey]

http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0001-4.JPG

Hey Andy...I finally made up my mind and I'm going to go with the MO-RA 2. I was looking at HESmelaugh's review and thought...I need to stop messin' around with these "baby-man" (you gotta say it in your best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice) rads and just get something that can really handle my triple sli set up. Go big or go home has always been my philosophy.:D I'm just thinking about where I am go to put it? I think I can get away with putting it on my desk behind my monitor (Dell 3008WFP).

My question to you is this. Based upon the way you have it "mounted" in the above pic, how secure is it? If I could make (or have one made) a cool stand the rad would be perfect. I have a very unique idea for the cables and tubing that is going to compliment the build.

edit: Are you using any quick connect/disconnect valves?

Sorry I didn't see this post before..I just have it Velcored to a piece of wood, and that piece of wood Velcroed as a temp mount on the bench. You do a table mount easy enough, or attach to a case with the supplied standoffs.

No QC's on the bench right now other than the one BP D-PLUG. But for a external table mount, be good to use a couple of D-PLUGS which don't restrict flow.

have fun:up:

andyc

[n0t]

Any idea if it fits in a MM-UFO?
I still have to buy rads, since this is my first LC.
I like it even if I have to mount it outside the case.
what do you think? should I go for it?
J

[trfnj74]

n0t

I dont think it would fit in a standard UFO, maybe mounted to one of the side panel. If you purchased a MM pedestal to go under the main case then it would fit, with some mods. If you havent purchased the MM case you could get the MM Ascension with trinity front as it should be able to mount inside the case.

[n0t]

The UFO is 18x18X18 inches...the MO-RA 2 is 16.7x15.2x2.2 inches (rounded)
My reply is largely academic since I already said fuck it!!!...and bought it 2 minutes after my previous post.
Anyway It will fit,.....if it doesn't.....It WILL!!!ChainSaw:gil::ninja1:

[trfnj74]

I know it wont fit in the front or rear of case, maybe in the rear externally. It will fit externally on the side and the top, and you should be able to mount it inside on the top if you put your 5 1/4 bays on the bottom. Did you get the horizontal or vertical MB, if you got the horizontal mb you will not be able to mount it on the inside side panel with out moding your MB support bracket if at all. As for the vertical you might get away inside depending on where you mount your PSU.

The UFO is 18x18X18 inches...the MO-RA 2 is 16.7x15.2x2.2 inches (rounded)
My reply is largely academic since I already said fuck it!!!...and bought it 2 minutes after my previous post.
Anyway It will fit,.....if it doesn't.....It WILL!!!ChainSaw:gil::ninja1:

[n0t]

Tom, you are absolutely correct,
I am thinking, in order of preference :
Vertical by the PSU. I will have to mod the side panel.
Use longer legs and mount at the bottom.
Mount at the top.
The case has been ordered ...but it takes time:(
Andy, thank you for the Great post and I am sorry for the Thread Jacking:D

J

[Worthy]

The UFO is 18x18X18 inches...the MO-RA 2 is 16.7x15.2x2.2 inches (rounded)
My reply is largely academic since I already said fuck it!!!...and bought it 2 minutes after my previous post.
Anyway It will fit,.....if it doesn't.....It WILL!!!ChainSaw:gil::ninja1:

You'll really like it.
I do. I was initially apprehensive about blowing 220 bucks on a rad, but after you do that you never need another. It makes all others look like pieces of shit in most every way. High quality and top notch performance.

Welcome to the club.

[n0t]

First, You guys approve it. That's a big reason why I am getting it.
Second, I am new at this. I am not replacing anything with it.
Third. It performs and it looks good.:up:
I would spend 200+ anyway in rads....I might as well get the beast:D

[ShoNuff]

Sorry I didn't see this post before..I just have it Velcored to a piece of wood, and that piece of wood Velcroed as a temp mount on the bench. You do a table mount easy enough, or attach to a case with the supplied standoffs.

No QC's on the bench right now other than the one BP D-PLUG. But for a external table mount, be good to use a couple of D-PLUGS which don't restrict flow.

have fun:up:

andyc

Gotta say so far I really like this rad. I'm only leak testing at this point and hope to fire it up tomorrow. Got an idea from Forumdeluxx to build feet for the rad so it can sit on the desktop. Looking forward to the temps b/c my Feser Quad 480 couldn't hang with 3 GTX 285's and a mildly overclocked W3520. I got 9 of the Scythe Gentle Typoon's (1150 RPM's) and plan to run them at full speed. I've been playing with them all last week and they are silent.

[mcoffey]

Gotta say so far I really like this rad. I'm only leak testing at this point and hope to fire it up tomorrow. Got an idea from Forumdeluxx to build feet for the rad so it can sit on the desktop. Looking forward to the temps b/c my Feser Quad 480 couldn't hang with 3 GTX 285's and a mildly overclocked W3520. I got 9 of the Scythe Gentle Typoon's (1150 RPM's) and plan to run them at full speed. I've been playing with them all last week and they are silent.

Sounds like a sweet setup..can't wait to see it up and running:up:

andyc

[p0Pe]

Gotta say so far I really like this rad. I'm only leak testing at this point and hope to fire it up tomorrow. Got an idea from Forumdeluxx to build feet for the rad so it can sit on the desktop. Looking forward to the temps b/c my Feser Quad 480 couldn't hang with 3 GTX 285's and a mildly overclocked W3520. I got 9 of the Scythe Gentle Typoon's (1150 RPM's) and plan to run them at full speed. I've been playing with them all last week and they are silent.

why build feets when you can build a great stand:P

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=40534&postcount=63

[slpdLoad]

mcoffey, quick question - With the MO-RA fan shroud installed, could it be attached to the radiator bracket on a Banchetto? Didn't know if the spacing was standard, and I'd want all 12 screws in place to hold that much weight.

[Worthy]

mcoffey, quick question - With the MO-RA fan shroud installed, could it be attached to the radiator bracket on a Banchetto? Didn't know if the spacing was standard, and I'd want all 12 screws in place to hold that much weight.

It weighs like 15 lbs empty, it'll tip the banchetto over unless it's supported from the bottom.

[ShoNuff]

why build feets when you can build a great stand:P

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=40534&postcount=63

No acrylic skills. Feets I can do.;)

[slpdLoad]

It weighs like 15 lbs empty, it'll tip the banchetto over unless it's supported from the bottom.

That's the empty weight?? :eek: Well there is a place to put some supports...lol

Thanks.

[mcoffey]

mcoffey, quick question - With the MO-RA fan shroud installed, could it be attached to the radiator bracket on a Banchetto? Didn't know if the spacing was standard, and I'd want all 12 screws in place to hold that much weight.

Nope..even with a crap load of mods to mount, weighs to much IMO.

andyc

[Worthy]

Nope..even with a crap load of mods to mount, weighs to much IMO.

andyc

It's a lot easier to push my full tj09 case over with this rad bolted to the side.
I remember you warning me about this, but it didn't register.

Not like it will just fall over, but it's a lot easier to push over.

[mcoffey]

It's a lot easier to push my full tj09 case over with this rad bolted to the side.
I remember you warning me about this, but it didn't register.

Not like it will just fall over, but it's a lot easier to push over.

Yeah...and the taller the case, the easier it is to tip...bit shouldn't be a real problem....more when your building the case before you get other components in to balance out the case...once fully built, my Pinnacle was fine.

andyc

[Worthy]

yeah same here. Once the board and everything is in there and a psu in the bottom it's not a problem.

But I was really surprised by how heavily built the rad is. It's like a damned tiger tank.
Stainless steel FTW. beautiful piece. when i saw yours I had to have one too.

[mcoffey]

Yeah man..the MO-RA is a beast and one hell of a lot of fun to work with. Nice to have something totally different on the rad front.

I'd like to get a core only version to mess with next...do something industrial with it:D

andyc

[Worthy]

Yeah man..the MO-RA is a beast and one hell of a lot of fun to work with. Nice to have something totally different on the rad front.

I'd like to get a core only version to mess with next...do something industrial with it:D

andyc

Andy, I saw on their site that they do have smaller rads that look like the mo ra I believe. Maybe gary will carry smaller ones too.

The choices in other rads are getting slim with the "chinafication" of all the manufacture.

I actually want one of the smaller ones to use for an oil cooler on my turbo. LOL

[mcoffey]

the one I'm talking about isn't smaller, just the core only without the SS casing. Exact same rad, just 45.00 cheaper:D

andyc

[Worthy]

the one I'm talking about isn't smaller, just the core only without the SS casing. Exact same rad, just 45.00 cheaper:D

andyc

I see. If I had a situation where I had a MM case with a ped, the bare core would be just fine. I sometimes wonder if this shroud is airflow restrictive to any measurable degree, but since the thing rocks regardless I havent questioned it.

[mcoffey]

I see. If I had a situation where I had a MM case with a ped, the bare core would be just fine. I sometimes wonder if this shroud is airflow restrictive to any measurable degree, but since the thing rocks regardless I havent questioned it.

Well the grill def restricts airflow...how much or to what extent hard to say exactly, but I wouldn't imagine much. who knows, with the fins packed as tight as they are, might be more than expected. I'll be finding out soon enough:D

andyc