TFC Triebwerk: Radiator Fan Concept

[Langer]

I saw the post about the Sharkoon fan earlier and I remembered the TFC rad fan concept.
Sharkoon may have devised modular fans, but TFC will soon be offering a fan that can be 'daisy chained'.

LINK for more details (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareluxx.de%2Fcommunity%2Fs howthread.php%3Ft%3D547216%26highlight%3D55mm&sl=de&tl=en)

TFC Triebwerk: The ultimate radiator fan?
We actually cannot answer this question at the moment. But the first concept pictures really catch some interest.

"The Feser Company” (TFC) already gave prove of their water cooling know-how. Their Xchanger 480 radiator beat all the competition in the last issue of our German PCGH Extreme magazine and the Xchanger 360 impressed with equipment performance.

For the heat exchangers of water cooling systems people usually use normal case fans and that actually works quite well. But how well are those fans doing if compared to a device that has been designed to be used on radiators? In February we will possibly know the answer because then the TFC Triebwerk, as the new fan is called, will be released.

The device is developed in cooperation with the experts at Noisebloker who already offer the powerful but silent Multiframe. The TFC Triebwerk reveals several special features:
The fans are delivered with two connector cables and can be connected with each other when mounted onto a radiator - no more annoying cable management. Furthermore the so called dead centre in the middle of the fan has been minimized since the fan has a shroud. The position of the fan blades suggests that the Triebwerk (translates with engine or possibly power plant) lives up to its name and will suck more air through the cooling fins of the radiator than any other comparable fan. The Triebwerk is of course, like the Mutliframe, uncoupled from the radiator with rubber spacers.

TFC's Triebwerk is supposed to be available around February; final prices have not been announced, yet. There are supposed to be three different models that differ in features, fan speed and scope of delivery. We estimate that the slimmed down version will cost around 20 Euro and the top model around 20 Euro, which would be comparable to Noiseblocker's Multiframe. You can find the first concept drawings in our gallery. Please bear in mind, that those pictures show rendered material and that the final version of the Triebwerk could differ in form and color.

Depending on the specs of this unit it could present itself as a very serious contender.
It looks pretty sleek, it has built in vibration dampening, and they can be daisy chained... assuming it will deliver at least 125cfm methinks it's promising.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-06.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-07.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-08.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-09.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-13.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/TFC-Triebwerk-14.jpg

[Baleful]

Damn, how thick is that fan?

[bundymania]

Release afaik May / June

More Infos and pics here :

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showthread.php?t=547216&highlight=55mm

[Langer]

It looks as though they extended the shroud of the fan beyon the thickness of the actual blades - incorporating a shroud into the fan itself. Making the fan 55mm thick.

Also if you look at the way the blade part it mounted; it floats in the middle supported on the corners by the rubber mounts - quite genius.

[Xilikon]

Nice renders :)

[Baleful]

The idea looks pretty cool, as for the fans themselves..... ehh...

Just not my style, but I like the idea.

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/mockup3y9gc.jpg

Mockup Sample :)

http://www.abload.de/img/mockup1e4ga.jpg

[Langer]

Lets hope they release them in an all black format.

[mcoffey]

With the prices they're asking for these things, you have to be kidding.

andyc

[bentleya]

No Prices have beens set yet ^^^, think they are going to be clear :)

[mcoffey]

No Prices have beens set yet ^^^, think they are going to be clear :)

But there has been rumors on other forums:D I seem to remember something around the 30.00-35.00 USD range, but I could be mistaken.

andyc

[Langer]

I too heard the price will be dear - @20euro, but it's all speculation still.

First-comers will pay the usual "wow tax"... give it a few months and once the hype wears off it'll be -slightly- more reasonable.

[zlojack]

I wonder how they will perform.

That's what will determine what they're worth.

[mcoffey]

I wonder how they will perform.

That's what will determine what they're worth.

Yep, but better be some earth shattering performance if they're anywhere around 20 Euro's as far as I'm concerned.

andyc

[zlojack]

Yep, but better be some earth shattering performance if they're anywhere around 20 Euro's as far as I'm concerned.

andyc
For sure.

Performance and quiet too.

I'd pay more for a fan that somehow gave me higher CFM and less noise.

[dark2099]

Drool....:slobber:

[bentleya]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Image.jpg
:) found it in my pictures, got loads of TFC in they most i can't share, which sucks :(

[Cutless009]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/haha.jpg

[TedShred]

lol, nice.:D

[RedRaider]

:bird: a $30-$35 fan...

:bird: their $20 120mm acrylic shrouds as well...

[Odin Eidolon]

holy crap :crack:

[bundymania]

first "real pics"

http://www.abload.de/img/sample1qpsq.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/sample2ctig.jpg

color and design may change until final release !

[Cutless009]

what is with that hideous generic metal fan grill on the most expensive fan to date? For rthe price you couldnt figure out some way to mold it into the plastic like everyone else?

[RedRaider]

Make it in RED and BLACK...

[Odin Eidolon]

i've heard they'll have same performance of deltas with half the noise... even though i dont believe it at all, it seems that the guys at TFC are really confident with the potential of this product

[Septim]

any new developement or release date for these yet?

[HESmelaugh]

Some have been sent out for reviews.

That is to say, the two people I know of who get samples from Feser have both gotten some of these fans afaik. No results yet, though.

[ILikeCosmosS]

These look good i wonder if they are silent!

i rather stick with yate loons cuz they are dirt cheap

I bet these are better then the 78mm delta's

[bentleya]

Some have been sent out for reviews.

That is to say, the two people I know of who get samples from Feser have both gotten some of these fans afaik. No results yet, though.

And Whome has them ;)

[Hondacity]

Is that the new Silenx series?

[Lazy]

Is that the new Silenx series?

lol!!!


I was trying to think of a way that compared this fan with others but no matter how good it performs, if the price is going to be that high no one will buy it

[Septim]

you never know... lolz...

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/img_7617f9w7.jpg

[Langer]

Does that mean they've been released?

[bundymania]

i phoned a guy from feser yesterday, he told me that they try to release the fans in may. the final version should have black rubber "corners" . I have only 2 of the low- and mid speed fans here atm and i hope that i´ll become more of those fans soon. So i can check the monsters against some other "normal" fans on a triple, or quad rad :)

[Cutless009]

Give my the 1x120 rad and nobody gets hurt D:

[bundymania]

order 5 rads at sidewinder and you have nice dreams tonight..promised :D :haha:

[Cutless009]

Id order them if he had them *rolls eyes*

[westtrade]

I need those fans.

[RedRaider]

Id order them if he had them *rolls eyes*

Check his site, BITCH !!!!! :crack:


SiderwinderComputers - FESER RADS (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fecoxcra.html)

[Metasheep]

Check his site, BITCH !!!!! :crack:


SiderwinderComputers - FESER RADS (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fecoxcra.html)
Wow, even the 360.

[RedRaider]

Wow, even the 360.

oh yeah...

:crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack:

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:crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack:

:coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke: :coke:

:crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack: :crack:

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[RedRaider]

I heard these fans are going to be around $50/each...:bird: :jackoff:

[bundymania]

24,95 EUR per 120mm Version - that´s the newest info from feser

[zlojack]

That's crazy pricing!

[Hondacity]

ouch, im really interested with these fans the blades look huge...i bet its cfm is above 80+

price kills it...

[bundymania]

buy 10 and ya get one for free.....maybe...........just kiddin´:D :trampoline:

[trfnj74]

I was fucking pissed at myself for paying $25 for my 25 San Aces so there's no way in Hell that I would spend $50. Way over priced.....

[Worthy]

I was fucking pissed at myself for paying $25 for my 25 San Aces so there's no way in Hell that I would spend $50. Way over priced.....

hehe exactly.
My wife has new nanoxias, and noise blockers in her machine because I was dumb.

[RedRaider]

$32.30 / fan.......:bird:

[trfnj74]

Well in that case Ill take 100...No fucking way and I have no idea what feser is thinking, they better jerk me off at that price....

$32.30 / fan.......:bird:

[bundymania]

I got Pics of the final Version - here we go again :)

http://www.abload.de/img/triebwerk-finals33o.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/triebwerk-final1x7e1.jpg

[ballz0r]

what are the specs?

[bentleya]

oo Sexy fans :)

[bundymania]

http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fextreme.pcgameshardware.d e%2Fwasserkuehlung%2F30030-pcgh-de-tfc-triebwerk-der-ultimative-radiatorluefter-12.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

Specs in the last posting

[BrightCandle]

Here is me thinking that they should get rid of the inbuilt shroud and different colour corner pieces and cut some of the cost of making the fan. I guess the problem is that they have chosen for a very thin connection to the motor and don't do it on both sides so they need to make it out of metal. The cost implications however in comparison to the minor impact it will have on performance are going to really hurt its sales!

[cheapskate]

The motor is fixed to the plastic now. :( -Kinda kills the innovations of the original design.

[Cutless009]

"The pigeon, which arrived here, had to slip, where it stood" LOL, talk about lost in translation.

[ballz0r]

I had a laugh at that one too :D

[ShoNuff]

what are the specs?

+1 on the Specs! I would buy if someone could demonstrate they are (significantly) superior to what is available now.

[Hondacity]

tk 121 - 61 cfm
tk 122 - 88 cfm

not that ground breaking...

[bundymania]

Dimensions
Weight
Rated Voltage
Start Voltage
Operating Voltage
Input Power
Input Current
RPM
Static Pressure
Air Flow 1
Air Flow 2
Acoustical Noise
Lifetime MTBF min.
Operating Temperature
Storage Temperature





tk121

120 x 120 x 55 mm
190 g
12 ~ 13.2 V
5.5 V
5.5 ~ 13.5 V
1.56 W
0.13 ~ 0.19 A
1200 ± 10 %
1.62 mm - H2O max
104.7 m3/h max
61.6 CFM max
21 dB(A)
100.000 h
-10°C ~ +70°C
-40°C ~ +70°C


TK122 LS:
120 x 120 x 55 mm
190 g
12 ~ 13.2 V
4.5 V
4.5 ~ 13.5 V
3.48 W
0.29 ~ 0.51 A
1800 ± 10 %
3.380 mm - H2O max
150.2 m3/h max
88.4 CFM max
30 dB(A)
80.000 h
-10°C ~ +70°C
-40°C ~ +70°C


TK 121 LS

Starting Voltage (5,5V) 640 U/min

@ 7 Volt 800 U/min

@ 10 V 1080 U/min

@ 12 Volt 1200 U/min



TK122 MS

Starting Voltage (4,5V) 840 U/min

at 7 Volt 1200 U/min

at 10 V 1600 U/min

at 12 Volt 1800 U/min

[ShoNuff]

Any updates on when they are going to be available? I have some papst fans on my rad now but would consider playing with these.

[Hondacity]

darn i just realized it but

90cfm at 30db? wow thats awesome...too bad the price aint friendly

[bundymania]

@ShoNuff: newest info from Feser: Release Date will be in May/June

140mm Version: Autumn/Winter

[Lazy]

I dont see how anyone can justify paying $30 for a fan NOT including shipping.
By the time these suckers come to the states it will probably be nearly $35+ with shipping per one

[Worthy]

Well in that case Ill take 100...No fucking way and I have no idea what feser is thinking, they better jerk me off at that price....

You need a nice "monsta' rad to cheer you up and get you into the ankle grabbing spirit. :lolsign:

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/monstariebwerk2p51x.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/monstariebwerkh2uq.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/monstatriebwerk3a710.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/triebwerkbeidef65n.jpg

[zlojack]

That's massive!

[Baleful]

They really should consider making that silver fan grill black. Silver fan grills look tacky IMO.

[Cutless009]

That rad is bigger than my entire case..... it better do some crazy performance for all that real estate cost.

[HESmelaugh]

Never mind the real estate cost, mate. If I'm not mistaken, the combo shown on the pics will set you back 325 EUR, which is about 435 USD...
That's a helluva lot of cash for just one segment in your cooling setup.

[Cutless009]

Not to mention it'll prolly break within the first couple months if their previous products are any gauge. :bird: feser.

[bentleya]

Not to mention it'll prolly break within the first couple months if their previous products are any gauge. :bird: feser.

:( which of they products did this to you? My triple TFC rad has been going strong for a year now

[Cutless009]

:( which of they products did this to you? My triple TFC rad has been going strong for a year now

First and only rad I bought from them was a 360. It came in its original package with all its contents so I know it wasnt second hand. It had bent and rusted fins on both sides of the rad, the performance was horrible compared to my BIX even when I tried using it in the same setup, and about 2-3 months after I installed it in the system it was going in, it sprung a leak, never did find out from where, but it wasnt from where I had the screws installed.

*shrug* Whole thing screamed cheap to me from the beginning. I'll stick to BIX from now on tyvm.

[Worthy]

That rad is bigger than my entire case..... it better do some crazy performance for all that real estate cost.

Go ahead and load that bitch down with a couple video cards, an oc'd i7, NB and mosfets and see if you can't fry an egg on the end tank in a few minutes.

If they wanted to make something that would be effective it should have at least been a quad rad. but I guess that would have been like 350 bucks and 400 if it was the prince edition in white...minus the fans.:D

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/promo-2icxy.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/promo-3ejdm.jpg

:D

[Baleful]

WTF is that? LMAO, the watermark's read "Afraid?" and "Fucked Today".

So does that mean we should be "Afraid" of Martin from Fesser and if we aren't "Afraid" he will Fuck us today? :bat: :feser:

[ballz0r]

WTF

+1000

[bundymania]

@baleful: the uncle of those 2 little green fellas will do the job then -> Godzilla ! :D ChainSaw:haha1::ROTF:

[Marne]

again im at a loss as to what triple rad and fans to get :(

[Baleful]

@baleful: the uncle of those 2 little green fellas will do the job then -> Godzilla ! :D ChainSaw:haha1::ROTF:

LOL, well I'm just wondering. I know how kinky you Germans are. You're posting pics of lizards and shit, and talking about being afraid and fucking.

Hell I'm afraid now that If I don't buy from Fesser Martin's gonna come fuck me with a gecko or somethin...

[Baleful]

again im at a loss as to what triple rad and fans to get :(

lmao, buy the one that includes Godzilla, or else you'll get the angry lizard fuckin.

[mcoffey]

I saw one of the online vendors had these in stock for a while at 35.00 per fan. Dude, they ain't got crack good enough to make me pay 35.00 for one fucking fan.

They must have lost their god damn minds over there in Germany.

andyc

[ballz0r]

ahhh it makes sense now...

Afraid... ...of the price


if you bought one you....


:)

If they blow away the competition (pun intended) ill buy some for sure

Also there is a 140mm variant in the works which could be interesting

[Baleful]

ahhh it makes sense now...

Afraid... ...of the price


if you bought one you....


:)

!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH it all makes sense now!

[Marne]

fuck that nose lol they look great but no way in rat mother fuck a hamster am i gonna pay 30 sumthin bucks for a damn fan lol

[mcoffey]

ahhh it makes sense now...

Afraid... ...of the price


if you bought one you....


:)

If they blow away the competition (pun intended) ill buy some for sure

Also there is a 140mm variant in the works which could be interesting

If I bought one fan for 35.00 I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror...I mean lets face it..it's just a fan, and fans blow air. The faster it goes, the more air it blows. Some have better pressure than others, some less noise, but isn't going to amount to a hill of beans as far as getting your moneys worth out of a 35.00 fan.

Not like that fan is going to change the face of LC as we know it or anything. Not going to magically drop your temps 2c over another similarly rated fan.

At least that's the way I see it. For 35.00 per fan, I'd be expecting one of those good ole fashion slobbery blow jobs every morning when I wake up.

andyc

[Baleful]

If I bought one fan for 35.00 I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror...I mean lets face it..it's just a fan, and fans blow air. The faster it goes, the more air it blows. Some have better pressure than others, some less noise, but isn't going to amount to a hill of beans as far as getting your moneys worth out of a 35.00 fan.

Not like that fan is going to change the face of LC as we know it or anything. Not going to magically drop your temps 2c over another similarly rated fan.

At least that's the way I see it. For 35.00 per fan, I'd be expecting one of those good ole fashion slobbery blow jobs every morning when I wake up.

andyc

:bj3::bj3::bj3:

[mcoffey]

:bj3::bj3::bj3:

:rofl:...that's just some sick ass use of emoticons right there dude...too funny.

andyc

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/img_8577jopa.jpg


...Friends ?! ;)

[Baleful]

...Friends ?! ;)

Lmao, always man. I just don't understand the whacked ass marketing by Fesser.

[Worthy]

http://www.abload.de/img/img_8577jopa.jpg


...Friends ?! ;)

LOL!

This is like a 3000 dollar set of wheels on a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass.:D

[Baleful]

LOL!

This is like a 3000 dollar set of wheels on a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass.:D

Don't be talkin shit bout my ride FOO!
http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/mcdonalds_ghetto_car.jpg

[bundymania]

hehe :haha:


btw: don´t try to understand the marketing from the feser boys :D i get nice testsamples...i don´t give a sh... on the rest :D

[Worthy]

hehe :haha:


btw: don´t try to understand the marketing from the feser boys :D i get nice testsamples...i don´t give a sh... on the rest :D

HAHA! You should come here and run for congress!!!:D

[Worthy]

Don't be talkin shit bout my ride FOO!
http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/mcdonalds_ghetto_car.jpg

Wow!

These guys must have been some of the people rubbd the wrong way by church's chicken.

[aCt!]

Any international shipping online stores has this in stock ?

[bundymania]

nope, even in germany not available yet. first test in the pc games hardware extreme printed -> release 25.5

[ballz0r]

hehe :haha:


btw: don´t try to understand the marketing from the feser boys :D i get nice testsamples...i don´t give a sh... on the rest :D

any company that uses the word Fuck in their advertising is alright in my books :D

[knightmaric]

Isn't that car supposed to have the KFC logos and colors on it? O.o

I quite like those fans lol

[bentleya]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/TB7.jpg

[bundymania]

Oh ! :eek::D

[bundymania]

http://www.abload.de/img/bundy1gqjf.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/bundy2jrw4.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/bundy3as0q.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/bundy4as8i.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/bundy5bqjo.jpg

[zlojack]

Any test results yet? :D

[Floyd]

Any test results yet? :D

Im going to laugh when they are no better than a fan at half the price.

[Strafe]

Say what you will about TFC but they certainly are trying new things. I'll never knock anyone for that.

[zlojack]

Say what you will about TFC but they certainly are trying new things. I'll never knock anyone for that.
This is true.

The problem is they are charging an arm and a leg for their experiments :eek:

[RedRaider]

With the recent problems I've seen with Feser rads being fragile near the barb end of their housings, those ugly ass extensions sure will act like levers and probably rip the bottom off their radiators...:wth:

[CrazyJoe]

With the recent problems I've seen with Feser rads being fragile near the barb end of their housings, those ugly ass extensions sure will act like levers and probably rip the bottom off their radiators...:wth:

Indeed. :up:

[bundymania]

first test results in the next pc games hardware extreme (german print mag) :)