An (honest) question RE: Parallel vs Serial GPU loop. [Archive] - RRTech...The SOURCE for Extreme Liquid Cooling

breezyjr

11-25-2008, 10:57 AM

Well, I saw this brought up in the speakeasy forum and didn't think my question belonged there. So, I'm posting it here...

What I'm not clear about is whether a parallel loop will work with just TWO cards? I have two 4870x2 with FC EK blocks.

Now, I haven't completely finished designing my loops. I'm putting my stuff in the extended ascension with the horizontal mobo, so I was thinking it "might" be easier parallel rather than in series....

but, of course I'm still not entirely sure what a parallel setup is. I've looked at some of the pics posted (on XS, in the thread posted by NAekuh) and think it might be an easier setup routing wise.....

But, I'm more interested in performance than "bling" as far as the GPU loop is considered, so whatever is suggested is what I'll listen to.

And, I hope no one thinks I posted just to rile folks up... its an honest to goodness question.

thanks
breezyjr

TedShred

11-25-2008, 11:04 AM

I'd be interested in comments on this too. I'm planning on a GPU loop with 2 3870X2s (XSPC fc blocks), so I think the same principles would apply. (Regular vertical set up tho.)

don't mean to hijack/ derail, I'll just sit back and listen.

Big_Daddy

11-25-2008, 11:14 AM

Well, it's best to have separate loops for everything. Of course, that isn't always doable. (money, space etc) But for your situation (just the vid loop) either is fine. Your looking at a few degree's difference between the cards either way you run the loop. Just by adding the water to begin with your already dropping the temps to do any kind of overclocking you'd want. A few degrees one way or the other won't hurt anything. So it comes down to what's easier or uses less tubing.

Now, with that said, let me put this out for someone reading this. It's ALWAYS best not to add your vid's to your cpu loop. It's best to keep those two loops separate. The few extra degrees that the vid cards will add to the loop can make or break your CPU over clocks. Your also looking at the added restriction of the vid card blocks.

breezyjr

11-25-2008, 11:17 AM

Well, I am going to have a separate loop for the GPUs.

So, if I read correctly, with just TWO cards it doesn't matter whether it's parallel or in series.... But, the best way is (if space and such permit) is each GPU on it's own loop? Which seems completely obvious, as there no sharing of the heat load from each GPU.

breezyjr

Big_Daddy

11-25-2008, 11:20 AM

Right... but like I said. the few degrees won't affect the GPU only loop. your looking at 1 or 2 degrees by going parallel instead of series.

Sniper

11-25-2008, 11:22 AM

Parallel doesn't work. Why does this discussion have to come up time & time again? Think about it for a sec.
Your in a train traveling 100mph you can either slow down to take the sharp right coming up or stay at 100 & take the gradual right that's just after it. What route do you think you'd take? lol That's the only way I knew atm on how to explain that lol. Sorry sickness today lol.

Series at least it's getting flow over it no matter how you look at it. Your temps will gradually decrease as it hits each card but it's still getting flow Which might not be the case when in parallel. The flow takes the path of least resistance.

breezyjr

11-25-2008, 12:20 PM

First. I'd like to say, I haven't been part of any larger discussions regarding the two setups.

To me, yes your analogy makes sense. That's why I asked the question. I'm not here to defend parallel or series. I just want to know if it would work with TWO cards. I've seen the numbers from Tri SLI, and see the middle cards gets screwed. But, they way NAekuh explained why Tri SLI won't work, makes me think it would would with just TWO cards.

And, I'll admit I could be totally wrong. I'm looking for performance and if it works, ease of routing tubing, NOT for bling factor.
NOT the bling is such a bad thing, I'm going to have plenty of it elsewhere in my build, just not in the GPU loop.

So, don't get upset I asked the question. I didn't want to ask it on XS because of the thread NAekuh pointed out. Knew I could get a straight answer here....

later,
breezyjr

Sniper

11-25-2008, 12:23 PM

Haha i'm far from upset dude sorry if you took that the wrong way it's just how I type? It might seem that way but isn't? I was more asking myself the question & trying to answer yours at the same time lol.

bigslappy

11-26-2008, 03:26 AM

series & no 90 degree fittings is best .. Yeah i know all that tubing looks bad but as sniper said do u really want yer water hitting a wall even before it enters yer card ??
I M O

breezyjr

11-26-2008, 04:57 AM

I guess the only other thing I'm curious about, without getting into a huge debate, if series is better why bother with parallel?
Is this a bling issue, or does it work for some?

No fighting!

breezyjr

Ricey

11-26-2008, 08:07 AM

Its a personal choice. Debate is healthy. Its encouraged here.

I would rather tie a noose around my neck and hang myself than use a parallel setup. And I have two cards.

But you are not me, and you probably have different priorities and objectives than I do.

Parallel is not good for Naekuh but its obviously good for someone else.

You have to go find out what you want.

Sniper

11-26-2008, 08:24 AM

Exactly Ricey.   breezyjr If you think it works then be my guest & try it out but you'll be back, Oh yes they always come back Muhahahahahaha! lol

RedRaider

11-26-2008, 08:53 AM

Parallel loops are for :loser:'s

bigslappy

11-26-2008, 12:08 PM

parallel is for the bling & ease on connecting the cards NOT FOR best TEMPS ..................RRR is right Parallel is for blingers WHO value looks over proformace & on this forum are THAT Blinger is called LOSER !! it's not that hard to setup a series & have it look nice just TRY to stay away from 90's as u will lose flow ..........

Ricey

11-26-2008, 12:14 PM

If you start adopting the mentality that "its at most 1 to 2 degrees," then you should aggregate the temp rise throughout your system. The "no big deal" mentality is for those who don't care.

From my perspective, this is my hobby and I care to the upteenth degree. I would lose sleep over 1 degree, whether or not it affects any overclocking. Unnecessary compromises bother me to no end.

Kayin

11-26-2008, 12:29 PM

Series?  Do full loop parallelism.  That is the best way. Mithril sports dual rads, dual tubing loops and dual pumps fed by a single reservoir just for the GPUs.  Please tell me how that parallel setup sucks. What you have is people trying to do and not putting the effort in. Split the flow with y fittings, it would work better.  Plumb them together with 2 SLi fittings and then bitch?  You didn't do your homework.  Fail.

Sniper

11-26-2008, 12:30 PM

Pssst Ricey your losing 1-2 degrees on your second card in series heheheh.  On that note I'll be losing 3-4 by the time it gets down to my 3rd card unless I lose a card to another loop order but then i'll be in need of 90's so will the 1-2 degrees be worth the slight decrease in flow. Hmm get's ya by the butt every time doesn't it eh? lol   Kayin that isn't Parallel that's 2 loops whether it's from the same res or not doesn't matter it's still 2 loops. IMO anyways. How do you say Fail? I think your understanding of what we are talking about is Fail dude. <img src="/uploads/smil4918ccece40c2.gif" border="0" alt="" />

Ricey

11-26-2008, 12:54 PM

Pssst Ricey your losing 1-2 degrees on your second card in series heheheh.

Who says I would set them up in series? lol

Independent loops FTW rofl

Sniper

11-26-2008, 01:38 PM

Yeah I might have to do some rearanging myself I think. 3 cards in series is just way to much! Might even slip in a 3rd pump to loop another 120 rad somewheres if I can cram it in there somehow? hmm

Kayin

11-26-2008, 02:04 PM

Well, actually, there are two ways to describe a loop as "parallel". One is by doing separate sections of tubing for each, one is by plumbing those FC blocks in a cheesy loop like people have been doing. If I run two side-by-side loops off common components, it fits in the definition of parallel.

My fail comment was to the "ZOMG paralel rawks and j00 sux" mentality. Those people who don't take the time to plan loops properly but bung stuff together and then wonder why temps aren't what they expected. Mithril was designed for two months before anything hit paper, the design has had to evolve constantly to deal with "that's not the best way to do it" or "you know, you can't stick your tongue out at physics...". I have learned and adapted. Something these people just seem to not want to do.

Sniper

11-26-2008, 02:22 PM

Ah I get ya my mistake but I was only friggin around to but your right in a sense as well.  Parallel Rocks Dude I park like that all the time! haha

Kayin

11-26-2008, 02:29 PM

You'll find I'm near impertubable in general conversation. What gets me pissed is people insisting on ignorance, or propagating hate of some kind. That, and flaky hardware.

Always trust a writer to throw up semantics.

ballz0r

11-26-2008, 03:00 PM

dont knock it till u tried it

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SSs7j1dbaQI/AAAAAAAABGk/_Y0BLDUdVr8/s800/DSC03425.JPG

Load test with crysis
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5JXSu5Gfgo4/SSqfxdx5B5I/AAAAAAAABFU/8qYceJ_NiWQ/s800/Crysis081124.jpg
T2 = water Out T3 = Water In

Im pretty pleased with these temps

I say, listen to people by all means.... there is a lot of knowledge out there, but dont be afraid to try things out for yourself... imagine where we would be if galeleo hadnt tried things out for himself

Sniper

11-26-2008, 03:24 PM

Ballzor have you tested it without that setup also? Or in different configs? I bet your temps will drop slightly if you do though on the first card especially. Oh & I still haven't got my covers in the mail either dude? 

ballz0r

11-26-2008, 03:33 PM

the way my loop is set up it would be a real pain to route the tubes from the bottom of the cards, 30 idle to 37 load is fine for me

sorry mate... ive had a lot of problems with my single slot conversion and only have three acrylic cover left now and need them for spares just in case... I can send u the DXF file if you want to get your own cut... they only cost me $12 each

Sniper

11-26-2008, 03:48 PM

Np dude send me the file I'll see about picking some up & getting them cut here somewheres.

ballz0r

11-26-2008, 03:55 PM

sent to your hotmail :up:

breezyjr

11-28-2008, 05:23 AM

Well, from the sounds of it, I guess I'll be runnin my GPUs in series. Cause when I post my build log, don't want people yellin at me... <grin> heh

Anywho. Thanks for the info. I've always run in series, that's how I know how to set things up, so I think it'll be easier for me to stick with what I know....

later,
breezyjr

Sniper

11-28-2008, 08:13 AM

sent to your hotmail :up:

Just curious as i'm new to autocad ect. but how do you know the measurements?

NAekuh

11-29-2008, 09:46 PM

lmao...

Why is it that no one believes me? LOL, trust me dude, i was correct in that last 2 posts, and i will always be correct.

Why? because the guys who tested before i retested told me so, and i only showed them that they were correct.

There is no real benifits from paralell. If you have a good pressure pump, and your gpu is on its own loop, then by paralelling them, you could get worse temps.

In order for water to maintain a low delta, it requires a lot of flow. Why? because more flow means more passes at that radiator, and means more efficiency.

But why do we look at headpressure so much? Because headpressure is important to impact blocks, which we all love and use.

So if your GPU's are on its own loop, dont bother with paralell. Seriously... the promises you get by serial is much greater then the hypothetical improvements over paralell.

Basically if your asking this question or had questions, dont try it, your not ready for it yet...

Oh and a lot of you guys are gonna ask who the hell i am:
I got tired of fighting with vendors even that i made my own blocks:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/DSC00512.jpg

Didnt Eddie Say this was all impossible?
OK, i'll enjoy my impossible blocks...
And no evil did not render any of this.. if he did it would look much nicer.. :P

LOL...

I hope you guys can see now why I seriously am 6 months ahead of all you guys.... And why i always say XS is 6 months behind where it should be at....

:P

zlojack

11-29-2008, 10:14 PM

Creative and modest too! LOL j/k

Really nice setup Naekuh and great design!

I'd love something like that for my Gigabyte X58-UD5

NAekuh

11-30-2008, 12:16 AM

Well i wouldnt be like this if people would just accept when im adamant on something, im right.

bigslappy

11-30-2008, 12:57 AM

YER RIGHT DUDE !!! accept that fact ! NOW about that wind tunnel of yours WTF ???

bigslappy

11-30-2008, 01:01 AM

Then if your 6 months ahead & XS is 6 months behind THEN you should KEEP US up ToDate NOW !! & where's my blocks ??

does this fit a Rampage formula MoBO ??

WE want to know ??

breezyjr

11-30-2008, 07:07 AM

NAekuh wrote:
lmao...

Why is it that no one believes me? LOL, trust me dude, i was correct in that last 2 posts, and i will always be correct.

NAekuh,
It wasn't that I didn't believe you. It was more like I wanted your opinion on my two card setup.

If I were running three cards, I wouldn't have even asked the question. But, as I was reading your response in the thread, it seemed plausible that it would work with only TWO cards.

But, now that you, and others have said it won't work, I'll stick with my in series setup.

*Actually, I was just waiting for your response to finally decide... AS, I know you've run plenty of tests with differing setups.

So, thanks for the "Candid" response... <grin>

Oh BTW: where can I get some blocks made up for my board (haven't decided yet, maybe RIIE or EVGA, still researching)?
Did you design these blocks? If so, send me a PM and let me know what you would charge if I went with something other than the Asus P6T board that you have....

Actually, I think I'll send you a PM, as I have a few other questions.

Later,
breezyjr

Ricey

11-30-2008, 08:26 AM

Cheers to the XS morons who claim that flow above 1 GPM is unimportant.

I don't subscribe to self-castration, which IMO is what a parallel setup is.

I look at systems these days and I just lol. 90 degrees, 45 degrees, rotary Ts... Constricting connectors.. QDs.. I just laugh my head off and move on.

Septim

11-30-2008, 08:34 AM

it'll all depend on the person's point of view ian...
and of course properly planned tube routing plans...

bigslappy

11-30-2008, 08:39 AM

:hater: rotaries,90's,45's, quick disconects ,parallel's:wtf:
:chop:

THEY ALL SUCK..........:stfu:
& can Kiss My Ass.............:moon:
:morningglory:thay all are Flow Killing Bling Ass Pieces O' PRUE Shit ! :toilet:

:eatme:

:rant:

Ricey

11-30-2008, 02:26 PM

I see time wasting discussions like this all because of the bling element, especially the resurgence about DB and other bozos like Murder Mods.. Big expense with zero quality in the underlying build. Horrible choices in cooling setups..

Kayin

11-30-2008, 02:55 PM

Well then, what of my project? There is certainly bling, but what of component choice, etc? Everything has its own loop, large rads, if it has to be routed wher eI think there are kinks I'm bending copper for it.

You know you won't hurt my feelings, but I just wondered what people thought of what I'm doing...

Ricey

11-30-2008, 03:25 PM

Kayin,

You are doing it right. Get the performance benefits first, and then get the bling as a bonus. Not get the bling first, and then let the underlying performance take a back seat.

Exampple is MurderMods. The question was why he was taking the inlet tubing from the pump and conecting it to the outlet of teh FuZion block. The answer was that it made the tubing routing easier and that it looks better. That is pure 100% unadulterated moronic thinking. That was what I was referring to.

People can call my view hatred. It suits me just fine. This is not XS, and I intend to speak my mind at every single possible opportunity.

breezyjr

11-30-2008, 05:01 PM

He really went in through the out door simply because it made routing a "little" easier??!!!!???!!

That's just silly. IMHO

Wow.

breezyjr

Ricey

11-30-2008, 07:20 PM

And he refused to change it at first, even though several people told him.

It took Naekuh to practically yell at him. I of course took liberties to launch something sacarstic, which the Big Kahuna mods thought was a personal insult, never mind that this guy was doing it wrong, intentionally. Then had the audacity to charge a $2,000 premium per machine.

Sniper

11-30-2008, 08:04 PM

lmao...

Why is it that no one believes me? LOL, trust me dude, i was correct in that last 2 posts, and i will always be correct.

I'm beginning to wonder who your even talking to really. One person asked about it & he was showed it didn't work & wasn't worth doing. I think you just like to preach sometimes maybe to let others see you more or so that you see yourself or whatever I dunno but I don't need you to tell me it isn't worth doing LOL. I can see that for myself just by looking at it that it! I don't care if you have proof my mind was made up before you ever started Yammering non stop about it lol. Chill dude we know ok. You can make your own blocks, parallel isn't as efficient as single loops or series. No shit! You have proof good stuff lol hang onto it i'm sure(know) you'll use it again.

We fucking believe you ok.

Ricey

11-30-2008, 09:38 PM

Wow..

Time to hold hands and sing love songs. Roflmao

Its just water cooling dudes.. Not solving the global economic crisis.. Nothing that important to get stressed over...

And Naekuh.. We believe you here.. You came here to escape XS. This is not XS.

breezyjr

12-01-2008, 12:58 AM

@Sniper....
I read NAekuh's post as it relates to XS... in other words, he was referring to his posts at XS, not here. Just using it for reference.

And, I understand his frustration. I'm sure he's not the only one who has stated parallel doesn't work, but the topic is always brought up. My question was asked innocently enough, I wasn't trying to defend parallel, I was just trying to get a better understanding of why it DIDN'T work. But, others I'm sure have asked the question, then not listened to those that know what they're talking about, and want to go with parallel even though they're being told it won't work as well. This is what causes frustration.

ANYWHO.... Like I stated in the original post, I wasn't looking to start any fights, disagreements, or otherwise. I have my answer, and am happy to run separate loops or in series.

Maybe one of the mods could close this thread? I don't want it getting out of hand. There isn't anything left to post in this thread relating to my OP.

Just my 2 cents worth...

Kumbayah, my lord Kumbayah (sp?)...... etc.....

Septim

12-01-2008, 04:29 AM

hmm i though there ain't a lock thread button yet...

all sing kum ba yah...

Ricey

12-01-2008, 05:14 AM

There's nothing to close, breezyjr.

We don't lock threads over here, unless absolutely necessary. We encourage active discussions, not suppress them.

bigslappy

12-01-2008, 11:17 AM

too all who have a parallel vid card setup it's bling over performace & IF yer happy with that more power to you !! It is YOUR system ,but u do not have an extreme system in the proven sense of the term as used on this forum . As u have compromised Bling over performace and I hope the ladies & the girlie men, may they love you for it ....
..... but as far as locking the thread it SHOULD stay Open soo all us performace feinds can point n00bs to this thread when the subject will come up AGIN & AGIN as proven on that other forum .... FTW !

As too the OP who the thread was started by ....
WE THANK YOU !!
...........for starting this forum out right with a Very discusable thread that has let all of us performace feinds let to the WHY & WHAT FOR a nice VENT on why Water Cooled Parallel Vid Cards SUCKS

RANT-ON my fellow feinds ............
NueKah YOU are right & we do understand that you were refering to that other forum on a few of your posts

How was everyones Holiday Weekend ??

breezyjr

12-01-2008, 11:52 AM

Ricey wrote:
There's nothing to close, breezyjr.

We don't lock threads over here, unless absolutely necessary. We encourage active discussions, not suppress them.

Fair enough.

Let the discussion rage on... heh

breezyjr

12-01-2008, 11:57 AM

bigslappy wrote:

As too the OP who the thread was started by ....
WE THANK YOU !!
...........for starting this forum out right with a Very discusable thread that has let all of us performace feinds let to the WHY & WHAT FOR a nice VENT on why Water Cooled Parallel Vid Cards SUCKS

How was everyones Holiday Weekend ??

Ummmmm, your welcome.... I think... hehe

Glad my post can be used to educate others, although it was not my original intent. As long as it doesn't turn into a flame war, I'm all for a healthy discussion.

NAekuh

12-01-2008, 12:48 PM

the people who are on this forum are also on XS.

This is why im doing this on this forum too.

And that noob vincester... god you dont know how badly i want to pwn him.

I think he thinks he seriously thinks he has more toys then i do...

someone tell him i have more toys then martin even... :\

Ricey

12-01-2008, 01:00 PM

Wise man says... he who owns big plastic toy crap from China in big toy closet made of plywood and formica doesn't win.

He who owns small expensive toys in small desk drawer made of rosewood and teak wins roflmao

Ricey

12-01-2008, 02:01 PM

Naekuh,

links links please. Couldn't find "vincester" over at XS. Which threads are you referring to?

zlojack

12-01-2008, 03:07 PM

The username is vinister, Ian.

Ricey

12-01-2008, 04:11 PM

Well thanks, zlojack.

I just spent an hour of totally unproductive time reading the verbal volleyball between Naekuh and Vinister, and between Naekuh and ballz0rs, with everyone else chiming in for good measure. :lol:

zlojack

12-01-2008, 04:32 PM

LOL

Glad I could help you waste some time :D

Septim

12-02-2008, 04:25 AM

hmm Naekuh's sig of his parts currently reached 1 whole page by itself... or 2 pages... all text....

NAekuh

12-02-2008, 01:21 PM

i dont have that sig anymore.. LOL

I am seriously a parts whore.

Ask Ian, Ask R3, ask martin even... Its not longer a tehehe matter, its more of a "hey naekuh im getting this i know you tried it, how is it?"

The WCG team on XS asks me which board i recomend, and they usually follow it. The entire team was closely following my custom blocks, there flooding poor bei with messages...

Its like this.. i teach people, and they dont listen. The most common response i get back is, oh you think your smarter then a vendor make a better block.

Well, i did, and ive been. That shows what noobs are fighting with me...

Guys this whole paralell thing, ive done it, ive also experimented with every last varible possible in a paralell setup.

Im not forcing you to follow a facist movement. Serial is not the only route. You will not get burned on a stalk by me if you go paralell.

I am only trying to save you 3 hours of your time. When you start to defend that its better then the other, thats when i'll slaughter you.

If you enjoy taking your loop apart and setting it up, then try it. Nothing is more satisfying then you answering your own question. But for the noobs who are reading these threads, i am trying to not confuse them.

Lately XS has had a noob invasion on a scale worse then then the [h]ard invasion that occured last year.

And maybe you guys do need to know who i am...

Well i am naekuh... ive been h2oing since athlon XP days.
Im also a mod on anandtech for the cases and cooling section.

I have the entire Q9650 line up... QX9650, Q9650, X3370.
I also have 5 quadcores overclocked stable 24/7 @ 4.0ghz. All watercooled.

I ALSO have the ever so illusive Gainestown Skulltrail boardless right now.

What did i contribute on XS?
1. I reintroduced FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU back into our system
2. I destoryed EK's share in FC blocks until he gets standoff's.
3. I proved Eddie wrong on his mounting instructions on the EK Supreme.
4. I lobbied the Supreme from the getgo as the best block.
5. I Discovered the funky nature of mounting preference on the EK Supreme Block.
6. I introduced the ever so bling RD-30 to Jab-Tech, and Petras. <-- This WAS ME.
(dude you guys dont know how much you owe me for this.. all you RD-30 owners who got it from jt or pt. Without me, alex would of charged 300 for your rd-30 pump only... i found a much better vendor for you guys, and passed the info down).

My list goes on more... so yeah... i hope you guys do see why im a bit cocky when it does come to h2o...

If you need more proof look though my photobucket:
http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/?start=20

That should speak for itself.

Eddie3dfx

12-02-2008, 03:33 PM

NAekuh, I noticed you had a matrix orbital and another fan controller.
I was looking at the lcd forums too see if I could get more info on the orbital, since they come with fan/thermal options now.
Do you use it to control you fans and are there aftermarket programs that let you auto adjust fan to temp, like the aquero/bigng has.

breezyjr

12-02-2008, 04:41 PM

ooops

NAekuh

12-02-2008, 04:54 PM

Breezy pm me on XS and edit your thread b4 iany pwns both u and me.

Gainestown ST NDA holds til 3/09

Eddie i retired my orbitals... I want to mod this up front now...

http://www.mini-box.com/VM7000-7-touchscreen

To answer your question, the orbital does have fan headers. Also temp probes, but its dallas probes, and not the standard probes you get from BP or any other watercooling vendor.

Martin gave me some custom probes for me to play with, but i never got the chance to use them.

As CoolerMeister once taught me also...

LCD Screen + Samurize = FTW!

breezyjr

12-02-2008, 04:57 PM

Wow.... march 2009.

By then I'll be ready for another system.... hehe

I'll catch you on the other place.

Thanks in advance....

Post taken care of.

Sniper

12-02-2008, 07:58 PM

Dude your arm must get sore bent up around your head behind your back all the time like that eh? lol

I can appreciate the fact you have done things ect & have experience in the hobby ect. don't get me wrong but this pedestal you put yourself on really isn't necessary in the least. Specially not here of all places. Were here cause it's a place we can enjoy the flavor of R3 supremacy. But if it makes you feel better as apparently it does please continue on. I'll make my exit out the side door of this thread without a problem lol.

NAekuh

12-02-2008, 08:37 PM

well i always make sure the question is answered b4 i derail.

unless anyone has anymore questions on paralell?

And i'll play all nice and answer it nicely since this would be the first time im posting it here.

breezyjr

12-02-2008, 08:51 PM

NAekuh wrote:
Breezy pm me on XS and edit your thread b4 iany pwns both u and me.

Gainestown ST NDA holds til 3/09

Eddie i retired my orbitals... I want to mod this up front now...

http://www.mini-box.com/VM7000-7-touchscreen

To answer your question, the orbital does have fan headers. Also temp probes, but its dallas probes, and not the standard probes you get from BP or any other watercooling vendor.

Martin gave me some custom probes for me to play with, but i never got the chance to use them.

As CoolerMeister once taught me also...

LCD Screen + Samurize = FTW!

That'd be a really cool LCD.

I had all sorts of problems with my Matrix Orbitals, fried a couple of them. And, I could never get them programmed correctly....

I'll try to get the PM sent to you soon. Had the (four) kids all day today, as wife had late meeting at work. Things got all crazy.... Argh, now she just walked in the door, and is all pissed and taking it out on me.... Hopefully, she'll fall asleep soon.

(ooops, sorry for the little rant there.....)

breezyjr

ballz0r

12-07-2008, 04:16 AM

you know I love you NAekuh...

..
...

but parrallel works

*runs and hides*

Septim

12-07-2008, 06:13 AM

its NAekuh...

Snyxxx

12-11-2008, 12:39 PM

If you enjoy taking your loop apart and setting it up, then try it. Nothing is more satisfying then you answering your own question.

Absolutely correct. I wish more people would just try out different options to better understand their system.

I am usually such a skeptic taht I have to test something myself to believe it.

I added a second DDC in series to verify the claims of more flow vs. heat dump. Sure enough, the extra flow benefit was negated by the extra heat dump. It is fun to test like this.