EFF your high dollar DDR3~!

[Fitseries3]

im SOOOOOO sick of wasting money on shit that helps me 0%.

i recently thought to myself how i could cut down my machine's cost without sacrificing any performance.

ram was one of the first things i thought abuot.

why do we spend so much on ram?

is it the idea that the expensive ram promises great OCs? do you buy PC parts just based on the look?

ram is not that expensive.

i bought 3x1gb crucial 1066mhz ddr3 rated 7-7-7-18-1t for $50 shipped from crucial direct.

i got them overnight from them.... free.

here's some pics...



http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22995&stc=1&d=1234837023

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22996&stc=1&d=1234837023

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22997&stc=1&d=1234837637



1600mhz with timings on auto...


http://img.techpowerup.org/090216/Capture002.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/090216/Capture003276.jpg



still on auto timings here.


http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture004.jpg



1.7v here.... still loose...


http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture005.jpg


http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture006.jpg



even better...

http://img.techpowerup.org/090217/Capture007.jpg



these sticks are identical to $380 cellshocks and CSX diablos. so you pay $50 for the ram and $300+ for aluminum heatspreaders?

WTF? never again will i buy expensive ram based on the looks.


EDIT:

while this isnt the max... it was attained easily...


http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23227&stc=1&d=1235503381

[ballz0r]

vnice

[Septim]

Fits machine your own heatspreaders...

[Fitseries3]

there's still more in these. even without the heat spreaders they are not hot at all. IR thermometer says they are just over room temp and that could be heat from the board.

these outrun my $160 gskill black PI's i just sold.

[Fitseries3]

Fits machine your own heatspreaders...

have a design? im kinda clueless on them i could get them anodized any color pretty easily when im done.

[Chicken Patty]

there's still more in these. even without the heat spreaders they are not hot at all. IR thermometer says they are just over room temp and that could be heat from the board.

these outrun my $160 gskill black PI's i just sold.

me = >>> :owned: thats the greatest bang for the buck i've ever seen dude

[LowBrowser]

Nice overclocks. T3eH6 or T3eH8 by the way?

[smee]

DUDE!!! Fits, you made my day with this. SCREW expensive ram. I'm going to do this.

[Fitseries3]

6

got it for almost nothing so i cant argue. its one of the best boards i've ever owned.

no more asus for me and thats saying a HUGE thing for me. i've been an avid asus fan for years. not any more.

[BiNGE]

I'm with you on that fit. Great board/ram btw. Thanks for posting this. It just confirms what I've been saying elsewhere.

[Chicken Patty]

so FIT looks like the DFI for you is a keeper heh?

[Boyu]

wow nice value stick, what is the product code?.
is it :

Crucial 3GB kit (1GBx3)
240-pin DIMM, DDR3 PC3-8500 memory module
CT3KIT12864BA1067

thx

[Baleful]

Very nice overclocking indeed, but these results are useless until you run Memtest86.

I have a pair of the original DDR2 Ballistix here that I ran at 1250Mhz for a long time, but it was never stable. The 1250Mhz never gave me a BSOD, but it would never pass a Memtest. I thought it didn't matter so I continued to run the RAM at those speeds, a few months later my OS was corrupted and was forced to reformat.

Now, if you can pass a 12 hour Memtest at those settings i'll raise a glass to you, but untill then it's kinda useless. I don't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but I've seen stuff like this before where people claim to have ultra uber overclocks but never fully test it for stability.

[mcoffey]

Yep,

And I'm all for being smart about what's bought, but I agree, little more to it than running that artificial bench mark by Everest. Which by the way is out of date, and already documented by Everest. Those mem scores are way off according to them.

Still can't beat 50.00 Ram though, nice stuff. AT 1.65v or less, doesn't need a heat spreader, nor would any ram for that matter.

andyc

andyc

[Ricey]

Notwithstanding the fancy heatspreaders, there is a certain element of assurance from having a reputable memory company endorse a memory product at a certain speed and certain timings. I'm not for paying $300 to $400 for 6 GB of DDR3, but I would prefer to pay some price premium for some form of company backing by Corsair/OCZ/Mushkin/Gskill/Crucial etc.

[Fitseries3]

you dont see the crucial sticker on these?

[Baleful]

I don't think he's saying you have off-brand RAM, but that for some it makes more sense to spend the extra $50 to get the RAM that is 100% guaranteed to run at 1600.

i7 Shines with higher Mhz RAM, so why not make the investment for RAM that is guaranteed to work at higher settings.

If this RAM truly works out for you, and ends up being 100% stable, great! But you're not guaranteed that every stick you buy will clock this well, or last at these speeds.

[Fitseries3]

my friend has the same sticks he got yesturday.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1219736&postcount=1620

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1219825&postcount=1624

i have a 3rd and a 4th person getting some too. all from different places.

i'll post their results soon but im pretty damn sure they will be the same.

[LowBrowser]

I think the point is that this board loves memory. A couple of people have mentioned that, and I can vouch for the T3eH8 as well. I'm running the cheapest Supertalent 6GB kit I could find at CL8 1600, at ~1.6V (because I'm too lazy to keep pushing it basically and I don't see where I'd actually notice it). I'd prefer to spend 20 seconds changing settings, then an extra 100 bucks. This is the stuff I'm talking about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609361&Tpk=supertalent%206gb.

[Fitseries3]

my friend i linked to has a asus p6t6 ws revolution... not a dfi.

[Baleful]

I think the point is that this board loves memory. A couple of people have mentioned that, and I can vouch for the T3eH8 as well. I'm running the cheapest Supertalent 6GB kit I could find at CL8 1600, at ~1.6V (because I'm too lazy to keep pushing it basically and I don't see where I'd actually notice it). I'd prefer to spend 20 seconds changing settings, then an extra 100 bucks. This is the stuff I'm talking about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609361&Tpk=supertalent%206gb.

That memory isn't to bad, but Mushkin (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=732) has some nice prices on their memory.

Only $50 extra.

[zlojack]

Fits, you should update to Everest 5 and rerun those tests.

Definitely nice results from cheap RAM!

Although, TBH, I think higher CPU speed will probably get you more than higher RAM speed on i7. The bandwidth of i7 is already ridiculous without pushing the RAM up to 900-1000 MHz

[Fitseries3]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090219/Capture009.jpg

[zlojack]

Nice RAM clocks there, Fits!

[Fitseries3]

these are still very loose clocks. i havent really tried much with them. they are running fine in 3dmark at 1900mhz though.

[mcoffey]

That is some damn nice work, very interesting,

andyc

[smee]

Hmmm never thought of memtest...

could we get some memtest results fits?

[Baleful]

Like I said before, I'm not discrediting your work, what you've done here is amazing. But for the sake of argument please try Memtest for at least 8 hours. It is the ultimate way to see if this is truly 24/7 stable. Right now all you've proven is that it's bench stable, which is still good, but not for everyday use.

[mcoffey]

I got even a better stability test. Load Boinc on that bad boy and let it crunch for 24/7 @100% for Reds team. If it doesn't crash, or produce errored WU's, that a pretty good test for mem or anything else.

andyc

[bentleya]

oo nice :) +1 on making your own head speaders, still need to design a block for that card :) and few other bits you wanted :) be good if you could send me a pm, busy as hell at the moment but when i get the chance i will crack on :)

[ballz0r]

nice clocks... but i was a bit disappointed when I read this

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=243

[Fitseries3]

yes but thats another reason why i think high priced ram is not worth it.

[Cutless009]

When rendering in 3DS Max, there is a highly noteable difference in render times that varies with ram speed, as max is constantly caching an uncaching large amounts of data including lighting, reflections, maps, etc etc etc.

[Sniper]

So fits what would you suggest just for gaming period I don't do anything else cept the odd movie DL & burn.

[ballz0r]

So fits what would you suggest just for gaming period I don't do anything else cept the odd movie DL & burn.


based on that memory guide, get the cheapest ram you can and you dont even need to overclock it.

for gaming there would be no noticable difference

[FrostByte]

thats what ive noticed with my own systems, doesnt seem to make a lick of difference if im running at 800mhz or at 1066 for example, i dont see any benefits to paying more for speed i dont utilize on my machine. Nice find, will definatly have to remember that when i decide its time to jump to DDR3.

[Fitseries3]

i've been running BIONC for 6 hours now and the machine hasn't had any hiccups. i've also ran F@H gpu2 on my gtx295 at the same time.

when will you guys believe me that this cheapo ram that anyone can get for $60 will run as well as almost any ram?

[Cutless009]

I just spent $389 on ram, I justify it, cuz..... its... well... CUZ ITS AWESOME K?!

[Fitseries3]

no... cause it looks cool. thats why you got it right?

my point is...

you coulda got ram and a video card for that amount of money.

or ram and an i7 920

[ballz0r]

i've been running BIONC for 6 hours now and the machine hasn't had any hiccups. i've also ran F@H gpu2 on my gtx295 at the same time.

when will you guys believe me that this cheapo ram that anyone can get for $60 will run as well as almost any ram?

in exactly 18 hours :)

im really hoping it works... you might have just saved me $600!!!

[smee]

in exactly 18 hours :)

im really hoping it works... you might have just saved me $600!!!

I am hoping it works too man!!! Even if it's only memtest stable at just 1333mhz.

I just spent $389 on ram, I justify it, cuz..... its... well... CUZ ITS AWESOME K?!

I'd rather get 12GB of these crucials, OC them, and watercooling them, for $80 cheaper. ;)

[Cutless009]

I'd rather get 12GB of these crucials, OC them, and watercooling them, for $80 cheaper. ;)

shhhh, my pride might here you :hypno:

[Fitseries3]

pride smide.... send that shit back and get el cheapo's asap.

3x2gb is on sale with free shipping on newegg for $85. you can get 6x2gb for $170 shipped if you want.

[Kayin]

IF you guys noticed int he first post, they're D9s. I expected this, pretty much.

Good stuff. Almost enough to tempt me over to i7. Almost.

[Fitseries3]

let me tell you guys..


i spent $200 on this DFI,
$50 on ram
and
$220 on my i7 920

these are all deals that anyone can find if they look.

thats $470.

you already have video cards, watercooling, power supply, case, etc.

[smee]

let me tell you guys..


i spent $200 on this DFI,
$50 on ram
and
$220 on my i7 920

these are all deals that anyone can find if they look.

thats $470.

you already have video cards, watercooling, power supply, case, etc.

Yep man I've gotten addicted to just finding deals now, instead of newegg... you can save SOOOo much money just looking in the forsale sections of forums and stuff.

With the money saved by just looking for deals, you can buy a full watercooling setup to go with all the gear! :up:

[Fitseries3]

i sold all my old stuff and got an entire new rig and now i have more money than i did before.

[ballz0r]

I guess this is one upside of the current financial crisis... people try harder :)

to me this is the real spirit of overclocking... taking cheap gear and making it perform like the expensive stuff.

[Cutless009]

I guess this is one upside of the current financial crisis... people try harder :)

to me this is the real spirit of overclocking... taking cheap gear and making it perform like the expensive stuff.

YUP! Any tool like me can buy good stuff and make it look good :up:

[BiNGE]

Hey Fit. Not 48 hours after you posted your findings on TPU they jacked up the prices of these Crucials on Newegg.com. The only place to get them close to the cost before is Crucial.com's shop :D

[smee]

Hey Fit. Not 48 hours after you posted your findings on TPU they jacked up the prices of these Crucials on Newegg.com. The only place to get them close to the cost before is Crucial.com's shop :D

HOLY CRAP dude, thats screwed up!!!!
These were $80 last night!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148246

Now $130!!!!! WTH!! someones reading RR who works at the egg i believe....

[zlojack]

LOL

Well they are Micron D9. The infamous short-lived, high-clocking chips.

[Baleful]

LOL

Well they are Micron D9. The infamous short-lived, high-clocking chips.

That's what I'm afraid of. I've gone through more D9 DDR2....

The question is, this might be stable for you, but how long will it last? Only time will tell, I hope it lasts you a long time, I hate to see hardware go out.

[Fitseries3]

i'll let you know. they have been running BOINC for almost a day now no problems.

how long before my stats are updated?

[mcoffey]

i'll let you know. they have been running BOINC for almost a day now no problems.

how long before my stats are updated?

Happens around 7:00 PM EST. But you can go into WCG and check results status if you're crunching for that project via Boinc. If you're just starting out, it will take a while for the completed WU to validate via a quorum so you'll start receiving points.

andyc

[ND40oz]

Happens around 7:00 PM EST. But you can go into WCG and check results status if you're crunching for that project via Boinc. If you're just starting out, it will take a while for the completed WU to validate via a quorum so you'll start receiving points.

andyc

You also have to wait for returned results to be validated, which sometimes can take up to 10 days.

[mcoffey]

You also have to wait for returned results to be validated, which sometimes can take up to 10 days.

Yeah,

That's a "If you're just starting out, it will take a while for the completed WU to validate via a quorum so you'll start receiving points." :D WCG refers to that as a quorum.

andyc

[Chicken Patty]

i'll let you know. they have been running BOINC for almost a day now no problems.

how long before my stats are updated?

I was just wondering the same thing, i've been crunching away for almost a day now.

http://img.techpowerup.org/090220/Capture063.jpg

[Fitseries3]

its 41mins past time for an update. still nothing.

i tried to manually update from BOINC and it says communication deferred. WTF?

[Baleful]

It'll update on it's own. I've found it's best to let BOINC just do it's thing.

You have to be very patient as well. If you're just starting out in crunching, you won't see results for atleast a week. It truly takes about 3 weeks for you start seeing consistent results.

[Fitseries3]

im just tired of seeing 0 work done when i've watched it complete several projects.

[Baleful]

im just tired of seeing 0 work done when i've watched it complete several projects.

I know exactly how you feel bud. I felt the same way when I picked back up and started this team. Prior to me starting this team I hadn't crunched in about a year so I forgot about waiting for results and such.

Just remember it's for a good cause, just be patient. BOINC isn't a good "Right now" benchmark, but more a long term stability benchmark. Give it time, you'll be glad you did.

[Fitseries3]

one thing is for sure...


this ram is fine at this speed.

im nearing 24hours now and i think we can say that its stable.

now where is my cookies?

[Baleful]

:D

Been there done that. I ran my D9's at over 1200Mhz for a month before it's instability showed it's head.

I'm not telling you to run Memtest to try and disprove you, I want you to run it for the sake of your hardware.

[Kayin]

I ran my D9s over 1200 too before I had any problems. Both my sets.

I'm thinking about this for Phenom II, since there are AM3 versions available...

I've only got 4 boards available, and while the extra 30 for a board is fine, there's no AM3 flagship yet...

[bentleya]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/RamBlock.jpg

Here's what i'm working on Fit's :)

[Fitseries3]

not bad. i like it. im not a fan of watercooled mem though.

[bentleya]

OK then fits, will try a air cooled version :)

[bentleya]

A little render of the cooler :)

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/RamCoolerTestOne.jpg

[ballz0r]

that looks sweet bentleya!!!

[Septim]

Bentleya do the holes x flow style, for better water flow...

[Fitseries3]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23227&stc=1&d=1235503381

[LowBrowser]

Awesome. 1GHz out of $50 RAM is insane. What voltage did you have to give the memory?

[Cutless009]

fits you need to pm me an i7 memory OC guide, I cant get mine past 800mghz! <3 me love you long time?

[Fitseries3]

Awesome. 1GHz out of $50 RAM is insane. What voltage did you have to give the memory?

1.84v actual

fits you need to pm me an i7 memory OC guide, I cant get mine past 800mghz! <3 me love you long time?

PM me or i'll forget :p

[Fitseries3]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148246

[Cutless009]

I still want my PM you sick bastard! :P

[zlojack]

Hmmm..I'm tempted to buy a set of that RAM just for some fun.

[Fitseries3]

JUST?

no... sell that high dollar stuff and use these.

just as good if not better.

no need for a heatspreader... mine are 2c above room temp without a fan on them.

[Cutless009]

Why do these stay so cool when mine with heatspreaders on them get like... boiling hot?

[Fitseries3]

heatspreaders gather heat from the other components.

[zlojack]

I'm getting the RAM Freezer, so these sticks might actually make sense.

What do they do at 1.65v? 1600?

[Fitseries3]

1.65v can do really tight timings at 16XX or typical timings at 19XX

[zlojack]

I just ordered some...the 3x2 ones you linked before.

We'll see how it goes with those. If all goes well, I'll sell these Mushkins and use those with my RAM Freezer until they die!

[Fitseries3]

if they are as good or better than your current ram you buy me another kit? ;)

[zlojack]

LOL

I doubt that. By then I'll be out of money again :D

[zlojack]

Alright, I got the RAM.

I can confirm that the ICs on the 2GB modules are also Micron D9JNL

Time to beat the crap out of them :D

[bigslappy]

Go Jack Go !!
Let us know what u find out after abusing them to DEATH !!!

[Fitseries3]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148246

[zlojack]

Not bad for 2GB DIMMs!

I'm too tired to continue and I just finished pulling all the water gear out of my rig, so I'm done for the night.

But this RAM is a lot of fun! That's for sure!

I might just have to order some more!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/zlojack/8-8-8-24-88-1T-9476MHz.png

[Chicken Patty]

Not bad for 2GB DIMMs!

I'm too tired to continue and I just finished pulling all the water gear out of my rig, so I'm done for the night.

But this RAM is a lot of fun! That's for sure!

I might just have to order some more!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/zlojack/8-8-8-24-88-1T-9476MHz.png

zlojack what RAM divider you using 2:10?? What is your uncore multi set to?

[Fitseries3]

FITs never lies.

[zlojack]

zlojack what RAM divider you using 2:10?? What is your uncore multi set to?
Yeah 2:10 uncore at 20

[Chicken Patty]

Yeah 2:10 uncore at 20

nice, i need to try and work on that,

[Kayin]

Just ordered 8GB of this stuff, will post back with my results...

[Cutless009]

Are the chips on these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148150

the same? looking for cheap ram for a project and want to pick some of these D9's up.

[Fitseries3]

almost guaranteed.

there are some JNMs out now that OC better.

[Cutless009]

are they still cheap? who makes them? link?

[Fitseries3]

JNMs are on all the crucials from here on out once egg clears stock of JNLs.

they can also be found on the supertalent kits with black heatspreader

[Cutless009]

nice, awesome info man, thanks.

[Worthy]

My high dollar ddr3's inner-child was wounded by this thread title.

[Cutless009]

Fits you think those D9's would run faster than these?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220344

[Fitseries3]

no idea....

i do believe those are pushed pretty far for what they are. 2000 may be close to their max.

i hit almost 2100mhz last night on my 6gb JNL kit with no heat spreaders

[Cutless009]

As long as they hit 1000fsb/2000mhz Im happy tbh. I bought a pair of those ones I linked and one died and the other wouldnt run at 2000 at all so *shrug*.

[Stormy]

I have 1gb of this ram for my upcoming rig i'm building. Its nice to see this ram clocks as well as I do when I'm juiced up on Meth and fucking Tony Larder in the ass like a rabbit. Money well spent.:D

I also like to insert it in my ass while im fucking Tony Larder in his ass.

I love fucking men in the ass.

[bigslappy]

Fits is a Real story here @ RRTech !

Red would like to See Him Come by The House as Fits said he would on that over/other Forum !
Red wants to Show Fits some "Texas Style LOVE" !
As for the Ram It's a Good buy !

[Worthy]

My high dollar memory just told me to tell Fits to fuck off.