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Cutless009

02-16-2009, 03:23 PM

Just ordered:

Chieftec Bravo full tower server case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811160008)
Silverstone 1200w modular psu (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256041) - Dont buy this PSU, EVAR, switched for: PC Power And Cooling T12W 1200watt Turbo-Cool (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012&Tpk=T12W)
EVGA X58 SLI motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188039)
Intel Core i7 920 CPU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202)
12gb dual triple channel ram kits, OCZ Reaper DDR3 1866 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227379)
Triple SLI PNY GTX285 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133256)
2x 500gb WD RE3 drives in Raid 0
1x 750gb WD RE3 drive for backup

20 feet Duralene 3/8" by 1/2" (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/dupvctu3id1o.html) (cuz it was CHEAP)
Aqua Computer Cuplex dI for 1366 (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcocuxtdido1.html)
Feser Xchanger 360 (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fex360mmxtpe.html) (didnt really want a feser, but was the best Gary had in stock at the moment and I wanted to order from him)
3x 120mm Shrouds (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/blmico.html)
AC Ryan RadGrill (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/arast3xalbla.html)
DDC 3.2 pump (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swiftechmcp355.html)
EK DDC 3.2 pump top (acetal) (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekx.html)
Bitspower 3/5" bay reservoir (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bi3bayresbla.html)
4x Scythe Slipstream 110cfm fans (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sc12slsy110c.html) (3 for rad, 1 for case)

And I will be using one of the Scythe Ultra Kaze's that didnt work for simplicity as fan control for this build. I know its not the best parts by far, but this is for my personal build, so Im on a tight budget. Would love to hear thoughts?

Langer

02-16-2009, 03:27 PM

I don't think there's any reason to go into this with such a negative spin on the hardware.

There's nothing at all wrong with that parts list, and it is far from a budget build.
This will yield a very respectable system.

I say giv'r ...do it and be proud of it.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 03:31 PM

thats good to hear, as my focus for this build was on performance over looks :)

Langer

02-16-2009, 03:38 PM

although I'd opt for evga 285's. They are only about 10$ more on the egg. they are actually cheaper then the PNY's with the 20$ MIR

That way you get the option to step-up, you get transferable warranty, and if you want to you can strap on a waterblock without warranty voiding.

That said, I'm not overly familiar with PNY's policies like I am with eVGA's. They may have similar offerings that I don't know about.

Baleful

02-16-2009, 03:40 PM

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 03:58 PM

Umm.... Function > Form any day in my book. Leave the form to guys like coolmiester, what he does is pure art.

This should make for one killer rig man, don't worry about the looks.

EDIT: Why did you choose PNY cards over EVGA's? Just wondering

cuz I ran out of money in my budget and the $30 went toward fans instead of the EVGA's, Id rather EVGA any day.

Langer

02-16-2009, 03:59 PM

The evga's are actually $10 cheaper as I stated in an edit above.

They come with $20 mail in rebates on the egg.

jtf2

02-16-2009, 04:02 PM

i luv the case.
i am still working on mine,but it is the old style chenming 901ad case.
had it powdercoated black,and a different hd cage put in it.
look forward to this

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 04:13 PM

The evga's are actually $10 cheaper as I stated in an edit above.

They come with $20 mail in rebates on the egg.

only allowed one rebate = $30 more in the end over the PNY's, I spent hourrrsss reading fine print on rebates and finding the best prices for this hardware before I bought it :) Fine print in the EVGA states one refund per household, item, or reciept.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 05:00 PM

LOL, they threw this in as a gift with my order:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800995068

lulllssss

Langer

02-16-2009, 05:15 PM

I didn't realize that about the MIR's... makes sense though. PNY it is then.

...as for the 'gift'. If it wasn't completely useless they wouldn't be giving it away. hahaha

@jtf2 - The 901ad (specifically it's earlier generation model... but it looked the exact same) was the foundation of my very first case mod.

Ricey

02-16-2009, 05:16 PM

Return the PNYs. If its really r0 bux that you need (if you are really that strapped) then we'll chip in.

Fuck it.. If nobody steps up, I'll hand you the 30 bux myself

You are making a 80 bux mistake on that Impervio-made Silverstone. The ChannelWell made Corsair 1000 is a much higher quality PSU at 80 bux cheaper, and that is a 1200 watt PSU marketed as 1000 watts.

jtf2

02-16-2009, 05:17 PM

Langer

02-16-2009, 05:29 PM

@Ricey - The Zeus series aren't Impervio though, or am I misinformed?

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 05:51 PM

@Ricey - The Zeus series aren't Impervio though, or am I misinformed?

I didnt pick up the Zeus version cuz of its cost, but the Zeus version is made by the same people that make the PCP&P psu's last I heard?

ND40oz

02-16-2009, 06:02 PM

Why the chieftec case, other then it's cheap? HAF is 127.99 at Microcenter if you can spare the extra $30...

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 06:04 PM

Why the chieftec case, other then it's cheap? HAF is 127.99 at Microcenter if you can spare the extra $30...

space my friend, SPACE. This case is freakin MASSIVE. Its bigger than a pinnacle I believe.

Langer

02-16-2009, 06:06 PM

PCP&P are Channel well - same as the HX1000. no?

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 06:09 PM

I thought channel Well only made single rail psu's? The corsair is dual rail isnt it?

Ricey

02-16-2009, 06:12 PM

The "1200 watt" Zeus modular is made by Impervio. Go read Jonny Guru.

The Zeus used to be made by Estasis. They were first class then, and were as good as PCP&C or even better at the same power rating.

I don't blame Silverstone (or Corsair) for bowing to market pressure for modular. Its market forces at play.

Never mind the rating, its the performance that counts. Go read Jonny Guru.

The Corsair is also a 1200 watt Channel Well. Corsair again decided that it just had to have modular, so they sell it as a 1000 watt, but it really is two modified 600 watt units. At least Corsair is made by Channel Well.

These companies don't want to tell consumers the truth.
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Langer

02-16-2009, 06:13 PM

Shawn Chen of CWT did most of the critical design for the HX1000.
I've had the pleasure of chatting with him about PSU tech.

ND40oz

02-16-2009, 06:14 PM

space my friend, SPACE. This case is freakin MASSIVE. Its bigger than a pinnacle I believe.

Not that much bigger, 4416 cubic inches vs 4392 cubic inches. You're only doing 1 3x120 rad right? You also wouldn't have to spend $25 on a rad grill.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 06:26 PM

Wow thats all incredible info langer and ricey, its nice to get an insight into the background behind all the smoke and mirrors around psu's. Looks like I'll def be returning this one and getting that corsair since its actually a 1200w.

Not that much bigger, 4416 cubic inches vs 4392 cubic inches. You're only doing 1 3x120 rad right? You also wouldn't have to spend $25 on a rad grill.

Yes but the pinnacle in black is like $400 shipped, versus $99 shipped for this one. I dont think the case you linked me to would hold a 3x120 anyways. Plus this way I have room to grow when/if I fell it necessary and/or want to add a 2nd loop for the gpu's

Ricey

02-16-2009, 06:30 PM

Here you go... Jonny Guru himself.

The non-modular is an excellent SevenTeam design.

The modular version is a Impervio POS.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2679816

If you absolutely need modular, get the Corsair.

If you can live with non-modular, the SevenTeam 1200 watt Zeus is excellent!

Langer

02-16-2009, 06:33 PM

I knew the Zeus wasn't Impervio. I actually forgot there was a modular DA1200. With a beast like that... why go modular?

@Cutless - I know you're going big! but note that the HX1000 is the only CWT PSU from Corsair, the rest of their lineup is SeaSonic built.

Ricey

02-16-2009, 06:40 PM

Langer...

The Zeus has a modular version that is an Impervio!! Its a very popular PSU
The non-modular Zeus is a SevenTeam.

As hard as it is to believe, they actually sell Zeus in modular. WTF !!!

Modular
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/4636-silverstone-zeus-1200w-power-supply-review.html

Non-Modular
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=97

I don't understand why people ignore the facts about modular PSUs

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 06:49 PM

Not that much bigger, 4416 cubic inches vs 4392 cubic inches. You're only doing 1 3x120 rad right? You also wouldn't have to spend $25 on a rad grill.

Langer...

The Zeus has a modular version that is an Impervio!! Its a very popular PSU
The non-modular Zeus is a SevenTeam.

As hard as it is to believe, they actually sell Zeus in modular. WTF !!!

Modular
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/4636-silverstone-zeus-1200w-power-supply-review.html

Non-Modular
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=97

I don't understand why people ignore the facts about modular PSUs

And what are those facts? Anything I should know about? Ive only ever heard the downside as a slightly higher vdroop.

jtf2

02-16-2009, 06:58 PM

Ricey

02-16-2009, 07:03 PM

consider who reviewed the modular version... Hardware Canucks...

The modular version is also reviewed by Jonny Guru.. less than stellar... I'm trying to be polite... if you can believe that...

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:04 PM

What's wrong with a Canuck?

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 07:04 PM

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:08 PM

www.jonnyguru.com -> search -> silverstone

Its actually a really good site for you to browse around.

smee

02-16-2009, 07:08 PM

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 07:10 PM

Lol wow guys.
I think cutless has a fairly nice setup going on here, I don't see anything wrong with it, is he going to notice a difference between the PSU's? I think not, modular vs. hardwired, I think no difference, except for hardwired being a PITA with wire management.

My 2 cents. This is his build log, not a "tell me what ****ing parts i should get".

Actually, I dont really care if they call me an ass-raping monkey loving fool, as long as they give me info and credible sources to back it up, Im all about more knowledge, especially when it comes to a PSU, a bad psu can mean a WHOLE LOT of problems later on.

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:13 PM

Then read this you ass-raping monkey loving fool:
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/
quoted below

As if you didn't see that coming

jtf2

02-16-2009, 07:13 PM

consider who reviewed the modular version... Hardware Canucks...

The modular version is also reviewed by Jonny Guru.. less than stellar... I'm trying to be polite... if you can believe that...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=104
okay ricey.
please point out in jonnys review,where it is less than stellar
cause the non modular 1200 did not fare too well.
last page of his review here of the modular
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=104

last page of the non modular review here
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=97

what are you seeing that i am not,that makes you believe the non modular fared better
besides the modular psu,can be switched to a single rail psu

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:16 PM

jtf2 - I'm seeing a drop in performance by a %10 margin... based on his rating scale

1. DOES A POWER SUPPLY UPGRADE MEAN A HIGHER ELECTRIC BILL?

This is the biggest myth of all. First, it's important to understand that a power supply only delivers the power that's needed by the system, nothing more. If your PC currently has a 400W supply and the system needs 350W, it will still need and use only 350W - if the only change is upgrading to a 500W power supply (the upgrade makes sense since there are many advantages to running a power supply at a lower percentage of its rated capacity). Whether the electric bill goes up or down is solely determined by the efficiency of the new power supply. Greater efficiency means a lower electric bill because more of the AC power is converted into DC for the computer, rather than wasted as heat. The savings can really add up over time. For example, when the money saved in electricity over the course of its 3-year warranty is taken into account, the purchase price of the efficient Silencer 750 is less than $0.00. Here's the math:
Model Efficiency @ 550W Input Power @ 550W
Silencer 750W 83% 662W
Standard 550W 73.8% 745W

For the same output power, the Silencer 750 uses 83W less input power.

3-year savings = .083KW x $0.10/KWH x 24 x 365 x 3 = $218.12

2. DON'T BE MISLED BY EXAGGERATED WATTAGE CLAIMS

To properly compare power supplies, wattage claims must state the maximum ambient temperature for continuous, full-load operation. Unfortunately for the consumer, this information is usually withheld, opening the door for manufacturers to exaggerate their wattage claims. They do so by assuming an unrealistic ambient temp of only 25°C (77°F), even though the actual internal power supply temp is at least 40°C (104°F). Since the proper full-load rating is 15°C higher for home use and 25°C higher for industrial use, these power supplies produce 33%-50% less power than their advertised ratings. See the derating chart on the right.

Elevated Temperature Testing
wattage comparison
Turbo-Cool 510 spec: full load @ 50°C.
"500W" Home PSU spec: full load @ 25°C, no load @ 70°C.

3. DON'T LOSE POWER WITH MODULAR PLUGS

Due to their look, convenience, and cost savings for manufacturers, modular plugs have become a popular power supply feature. Unfortunately, there has been little or no discussion of the impact of this feature on overall performance and reliability. The fact is, modular plugs limit power by adding to electrical resistance. The voltage drop can be as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire. Worse yet, modular plugs utilize delicate pins that can easily loosen, corrode, and burn, creating the potential for a major system failure. That's why professional system builders specify uninterrupted wire!

4. MARKETING MYTH vs. WARRANTY REALITY

As with all consumer products, the fine print in the warranty will often contradict a manufacturer's marketing hype. Unfortunately, this is especially true for computer power supplies. Take for example this quote direct from the product box of a leading manufacturer: "we've earned a stellar reputation for producing stable, reliable, industrial-grade PC power supplies". Now compare that statement to what is specifically excluded in the company's "legendary 3-year warranty":

Sample of What is NOT covered -

a. commercial and industrial use
b. wear and tear from moving parts
c. that the product will meet your requirements.

In conclusion, don't be mislead by marketing hype, avoid superficial gimmicks, and read the warranty carefully before purchasing your next power supply.

5. AN SLI CERTIFIED POWER SUPPLY WILL ALWAYS POWER HIGH-END GRAPHICS CARDS?

We went through three power supplies before we found one that consistently worked with these high-end graphics cards and an FX-60. We initially started with a Silverstone 600W SLI certified power supply, but running some games resulted in the system powering down under full load. We next moved onto a higher rated Thermaltake PurePower SLI certified 680W unit. But while most games ran most of the time, the system would still occasionally shut down. Finally, we ended up using PC Power and Cooling's massive TurboCool 850 SSI. This just goes to show that if you really want to build something that pushes the bleeding edge, make sure you have the right power supply.

ExtremeTech Review Feb 12, 2006

6. SHOULD AN ATX POWER SUPPLY BE COOLED WITH A 120MM FAN?

Most low-noise ATX power supplies today utilize a top-mounted 120mm fan rather than a rear-mounted 80mm fan. The 120's favorable reputation is based on the fact that under low to medium load conditions, the 120mm fan provides sufficient cooling at low RPM and low RPM fans are generally very quiet.

However, problems occur with this design when the load exceeds 50%-60%. Because the 120mm fan consumes about 1.5" of vertical space inside the PSU, heat sinks, capacitors, and other components are about 30% smaller in height compared to a PSU with a rear-mounted fan. The smaller parts can handle less current, so the maximum power available with the 120mm design is limited. And, because the heat sinks have less surface area, more air flow is needed with this design to keep the thermal situation under control. With 80%-100% load, the 120's fan speed can double and the noise level can jump by up to 20dB.

In conclusion, for systems that require more than 50% of the power supply's capacity, a well-engineered PSU with a rear-mounted 80mm fan will provide superior performance and reliability (due to larger components) at a noise level comparable to a PSU equipped with a 120mm fan.

7. ARE TWO POWER SUPPLY FANS BETTER THAN ONE?

No. A power supply with two fans doesn't exhaust any more air from the case than a power supply with one. That's because due to space limitations, only one fan can be used for exhaust, while the other is limited to spot cooling. Possible explanations for a 2-fan PSU include: thermal engineering problems; an attempt to exaggerate the wattage rating by spot cooling the transformer; or an attempt by the marketing department to create a new gimmick.

8. ARE MULTIPLE 12-VOLT RAILS BETTER THAN A SINGLE 12-VOLT RAIL?

With all the hype about multiple 12-volt rails (ads claim that two rails is better than one, five is better than four, etc.), you'd think it was a better design. Unfortunately, it's not!

Here are the facts: A large, single 12-volt rail (without a 240VA limit) can transfer 100% of the 12-volt output from the PSU to the computer, while a multi-rail 12-volt design has distribution losses of up to 30% of the power supply's rating. Those losses occur because power literally gets "trapped" on under-utilized rails. For example, if the 12-volt rail that powers the CPU is rated for 17 amps and the CPU only uses 7A, the remaining 10A is unusable, since it is isolated from the rest of the system.

Since the maximum current from any one 12-volt rail of a multiple-rail PSU is limited to 20 amps (240VA / 12 volts = 20 amps), PCs with high-performance components that draw over 20 amps from the same rail are subject to over-current shutdowns. With power requirements for multiple processors and graphics cards continuing to grow, the multiple-rail design, with its 240VA limit per rail, is basically obsolete.

PC Power and Cooling is once again leading the industry. All of our power supplies now feature a large, single 12-volt rail. The design is favored by major processor and graphics companies, complies with EPS12V specs (the 240VA limit is not a requirement) and is approved by all major safety agencies such as UL and TUV.3

jtf2

02-16-2009, 07:21 PM

thanks for that langer.i duck my head now,even though the non modular 1200 did not fare well in that review,which was my point,not really modular vs non.

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:29 PM

I should note that there are exceptions to PC Powers multi vs single 12v rail statement... and most of us here are that exception.

They claim one of the drawbacks is 'trapped power' but if you -like me- are taking advantage of all your PSU has to offer then that 'trapped power' is put to use.

The rest is all a matter of quality.

The bottom line. Some of the most reliable PSUs you're going to find are going to be for the enterprise market... rack mount and server PSUs - especially redundant dual units - are bulletproof.
The drawback is that they tend to be really pricey in the higher wattage models. (and of course they are usually not standard form factor)

ND40oz

02-16-2009, 07:30 PM

Jonny doesn't seem to have a problem with modular power supplies either:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1036

Resistance: Modular connectors, adapters and splitters.

Years ago, there was this cat named Ohm and he explained to us that resistance sucks.

Ohm’s law as it pertains to resistance in electrical current is R (resistance) X I (current) = V (voltage.) So you can see, the greater the resistance, caused by either length of wire, gage of wire or having to go through connectors and/or the greater the current, the less voltage you get.

In simple terms, having a modular power supply may drop your voltage a little because of the resistance between the modular interface and the cable. And using a 20-to-24 pin adapter or any kind of splitter can cause a slight drop in voltage because of the resistance caused by any imperfect contact between the pins of such an adapter or splitter. But on that same note, every single connection you make (PSU to drive, or motherboard, or video card) is another connector that is going to create a little more resistance.

There’s been a lot of scare tactics used to convince people to not go with a modular power supply. But the reality is, even at high loads the resistance is quite minimal if the correct measures are taken. For example: A PCI-e cable is going to have less resistance if there’s 3 12V leads on each side of the cable and 3 grounds on each side of the cable. Unfortunately, some modular power supplies may only have one or two wires split into three for each row for a PCI-e connector. Some homework needs to be done on how the cables are constructed when considering a modular power supply.

And when using a modular power supply, adapters or splitter, make very certain that the connection between both interfaces is secure, firm and flush. Make sure all of your connectors are fully seated. This goes for standard power supplies and the connections you make to the motherboard, your drives, etc. as well. Because if you have a connector that is not fully seated, you create resistance. That resistance not only can cause a drop in voltage at the end of that particular wire, but also create heat. I’ve actually seen BURNT connectors from cables not being plugged all of the way into their sockets.

One last thing; Gold plated contacts. They don't do any good unless they're interfaced with gold plated connectors. In fact, the mating of dissimilar metals is actually more prone to corrosion than if both connectors were tin. So if you get a modular power supply with gold connectors, keep in mind that it may be better to have gold only on the power supply side where the modular interfaces are also gold plated, but not on the component side. I haven't seen hard drives and motherboards with gold plated power connectors.

UPDATE: In PC Power and Cooling's "Power Supply Myths exposed" they state that "the voltage drop can be as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire." Actually, two feet of wire don't present much resistance. But they do make the point that they may "can easily loosen, corrode, and burn." That should read, "corrode or loosen and burn." Fears of corrosion are rather unrealistic. A power supply connector has as much chance of corrosion as any other contact point in your PC. Your video card? Your RAM? Even the connectors to your drives, motherboard, etc. Obviously, when you double the number of connectors you double the chance of corrosion, but unless you live on a House board, corrosion is rare. The loosen and burn I explain. Solution: There's no reason to keep unplugging and re-plugging your power connectors. Make sure they're in tight and leave 'em alone.

Langer

02-16-2009, 07:33 PM

Years ago, there was this cat named Ohm and he explained to us that resistance sucks.
:rofl::rofl:Best pun ever!:rofl::rofl:

Ricey

02-16-2009, 07:47 PM

What's wrong with a Canuck?

Absolutely nothing wrong with a Canuck.

I'm making reference to a forum that inherently favors modular PSUs.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 08:00 PM

This silverstone here looks almost identical to the SevenTeam PSU's, is it made by them as well? And do you think it will handle my system?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058+113142560+1230113790&Configurator=&Subcategory=58&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=

*edit*

so does this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256051

All single rails.

Ricey

02-16-2009, 09:45 PM

You should buy what makes you happy.

Sorry I was merely suggesting

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 10:00 PM

You should buy what makes you happy.

Sorry I was merely suggesting

do you know who makes those last two I posted by any chance? I always buy what makes me happy, but I value other peoples advice as long as its sound and based in facts. I dont pretend to know even 1/3rd of what the average user here knows, so its always nice when one of you awesome people start spouting awesomeness and infos and start posting links where I can study.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 10:39 PM

fuck it I just ordered a PCP&C T12W 1200watt psu (non modular single rail @90a)

Langer

02-16-2009, 10:51 PM

Good man.

Cutless009

02-16-2009, 11:06 PM

culdnt help myself, found it on sale for $378 brand new, shipped, and Im wasted... shoulda hid my credit card.

Ricey

02-17-2009, 04:48 AM

where Cutless? Where! ? !

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 08:44 AM

last night was the last day of the sale, i think its like $416 shipped this morning, I'll get you a link later, its still a hell of a deal, if I actually get it lol xD

http://www.provantage.com/~7OCZT0AJ.htm

pretty much buried in their website.

Ricey

02-17-2009, 09:00 AM

Thanks very much.

smee

02-17-2009, 09:50 AM

Dang nice price.... that place is pretty good with deals. :)

However, with that PSU, prepare to cover your ears. xD
But knowing that your builds all have these massive amounts of loud fans, it shouldn't be a problem... ahaha

I'll stick with my Corsair 1000W, I've read up on all the info here, and truly PCP&C makes great PSU's, but I cannot stand for a loud fan, and the PCP&C 1200W is a little out of price range.
With Corsair's 1000W being quiet, around only $200, the MAIN cables hardwired (24-pin, 2x6+2 pins, 1x4+4 pin), the rest being modular, and it actually being a 1200W in disguise?
Correct me if I'm wrong, and point out a flaw in the HX1000W, but I don't think you can beat that?

Ricey

02-17-2009, 10:24 AM

smee

02-17-2009, 10:26 AM

Hey I own a Corsair HX1000 too. Only flaw being a modular, and perhaps two units co-joined, but its a Channel Well. But it is a 1200 watt in non-modular form. And thanks to market pressure from people like you, it has become a modular 1000 watt.

But I really don't care for modular, now that the truth about it has been revealed. I had NEVER heard ANYTHING about what Langer posted...
And I believe not many other people have either. lol...

I trust Corsair will have there next PSU not to be modular, and single rail.

mcoffey

02-17-2009, 10:48 AM

Langer

02-17-2009, 10:51 AM

I use a HX1000 as well. Also a couple DA1200's.

I also have a Silverstone Strider ST1200, because needed a 100% modular PSU in the ~1000W range in standard length for Prometheus.
Because I'm soldering the wires to the boards, I need the plugs to be modular at the PSU.
I did replace all the pins in the ST1200 with gold plated pins - soldered. I use gold plated pins soldered to shielded silver plated copper 18ga wire throughout Prometheus. I'm treating the inside like a fine amp.
I did this mainly because I had my own wire made special for me - and the costs for the upgrades to the wire quality were minimal.

ND40oz

02-17-2009, 10:55 AM

But I really don't care for modular, now that the truth about it has been revealed. I had NEVER heard ANYTHING about what Langer posted...
And I believe not many other people have either. lol...

I trust Corsair will have there next PSU not to be modular, and single rail.

I must be missing something, but what is so bad about a modular power supply besides a vendor who doesn't make them and wants to sell their non-modular units saying that they're bad?

smee

02-17-2009, 10:57 AM

Well he HX-1000 is and isn't modular. All the mains are hard wired, and even one set of PCI-E connectors. Just the peripheral connectors are modular. Anyways, much to so about nothing really as far as I'm concerned. If this thing can run my little beast, I'm thinking that being modular doesn't hurt shit.

Bottom line, buy teh PSU that drives your system, and take anything you read on a review site with a grain of salt.

abdtc

Well said 'abdtc". ;)

I use a HX1000 as well. Also a couple DA1200's.

I also have a Silverstone Strider ST1200, because needed a 100% modular PSU in the ~1000W range in standard length for Prometheus.
Because I'm soldering the wires to the boards, I need the plugs to be modular at the PSU.
I did replace all the pins in the ST1200 with gold plated pins - soldered. I use gold plated pins soldered to shielded silver plated copper 18ga wire throughout Prometheus. I'm treating the inside like a fine amp.
I did this mainly because I had my own wire made special for me - and the costs for the upgrades to the wire quality were minimal.

Holy crap, dude thats crazy.....
Where did you get the gold plated pins and 18ga wire?

I think this sounds like a fun project....

smee

02-17-2009, 10:58 AM

I must be missing something, but what is so bad about a modular power supply besides a vendor who doesn't make them and wants to sell their non-modular units saying that they're bad?

Hear ya go:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=17896&postcount=37

Langer

02-17-2009, 10:59 AM

The wire is custom from ITW Pancon, gold pins from performance-pcs.com.

Kayin

02-17-2009, 11:05 AM

A GOOD modular (and there are few), not much. A bad modular, of which there are many-plenty.

I have a PCP&C 750 Silencer in this, though I'll never hear it over my gtx480 fans... I've done both, and personally I'm replacing all with PCP&C as quickly as possible.

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 11:16 AM

I'll never b uy another wire from PPC's as long as I live, every one of them as done something horrible to my system or not worked at all. One almost trashed one of my 4870x2's, Im talking smoke.

Kayin

02-17-2009, 11:18 AM

I still can't believe you call this broke.

Langer

02-17-2009, 11:18 AM

Wire? As in plain old 18gage wire? Or prefabbed extensions or what?

Kayin - my thoughts exactly.

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 11:19 AM

I still can't believe you call this broke.

Well I wasnt broke, and then I had to buy this system! ARGH!

Langer

02-17-2009, 11:22 AM

I think we all share this curse Cutless.

Kayin

02-17-2009, 11:26 AM

I'm still trying to scrape up enough for two video cards AND the blocks and that's broke?

I'll never understand some people.

smee

02-17-2009, 11:30 AM

I'm still trying to scrape up enough for two video cards AND the blocks and that's broke?

I'll never understand some people.

Ha.... yea well I live rock bottom broke all year long...
I made $300 this weekend selling a ton of computer parts on forums, spent $200 yesterday on WC and stuff for my build... now just waiting for a couple more things to sell then I'll be dropping another $200 on a PSU... and then some more on a couple other little things...

Money comes, gets spent on computers....
But I always do have that extra amount of money per week that I get from my neighbor for picking up his dog crap and mowing the lawn.... $15 a week keeps me up and running for fast foods with friends and stuff... lolz...

ND40oz

02-17-2009, 11:50 AM

Hear ya go:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=17896&postcount=37

Which was debunked here:

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=17899&postcount=40

mcoffey

02-17-2009, 12:03 PM

Which was debunked here:

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=17899&postcount=40

Yep... a grain of salt..and with most of these experts...a big ass grain at that.

andyc

smee

02-17-2009, 12:06 PM

Which was debunked here:

http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=17899&postcount=40

Missed that post somehow.
Wow that is some good information.

So basically, just make sure you have a good quality powersupply with enough power to run your beastly machine, and have a coke. :D

Thanks for posting that ND40oz! :up:

zlojack

02-17-2009, 12:09 PM

I find it funny that PCP&C's FAQ is taken as gospel when they SELL ONLY NON-MODULAR PSUs. Of course they're going to say that's better....

When I read a manufacturer's FAQ about general technology, it's funny how what they build always ends up being the superior method.

Johnny Guru doesn't seem to think it's that big of a deal and I don't give a fuck. My rig runs fine on what it has, modular, non-modular, I don't care. I want a good PSU that's going to deliver the power.

Cutless, buying 1866 MHz RAM is a waste with an i7 920. You'll be hard-pressed to run it at that speed. If you run a 3.9GHz CPU, 186 bclk, 1866 RAM (10x), 3732 Uncore (20x) and the QPI should be at over 4GHz in order to run in the supposedly correct ratio, I don't think you're going to get much love out of that... I've tried it and it doesn't like it on my rig.

You'd do better with 12 GB of this stuff: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227381

Then you can try to get your bclk up around 200 and run 8x RAM, 16x uncore and 18x QPI which should all be within spec for your chip.

That way you're looking at something in the neighbourhood of up to 4.2GHz (depending on your chip), 1600MHz RAM and nice solid uncore and QPI speeds.

If this really is a budget rig, then buying that RAM for $300 a kit is a waste when you will probably get the same performance for TWO kits for $300ish.

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 12:31 PM

Wow, they added over $100 to the price I paid for these. Heres the line from my reciept for what I paid:

2 x ($194.99) MEM 2Gx3|OCZ OCZ3RPR1866C9LV6GK R - Retail $389.98

I only paid $80 more for 2 sets than they want for 1 now :eek:

Im wanting to try and push this processor as far as I can on water, was hoping for 4.5ghz on water, would that not be possible with this ram?

zlojack

02-17-2009, 12:46 PM

Hmm...well, 4.5GHz on water is pretty ambitious for the i7 920.

I've been able to bench at 4.3GHz, but for 24/7 stability and crunching I'm at 3.9 (206x19). I stay at 1.35 vcore in bios and about 1.36v in CPUZ which keeps my temps reasonable. With a bigger rad and more airflow, you could probably push the volts up higher and still keep your temps under control.

That's a 215ish bclk you'd need to hit 4.5GHz. Maybe for benching, but don't expect that for 24/7. You'd need a real gem of a chip for that.

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 12:51 PM

mmmm, Id be happy with 4ghz daily use :) Just want to try and push it to 4.5 for shits and grins ^_^

zlojack

02-17-2009, 12:59 PM

You should be able to get 4.3-4.4 for benching.

My chip isn't a very good one and I can run 03 and 05 at 4.3 GHz.

06 and Vantage don't like 4.3, though :D

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 02:32 PM

hmmm, sounds like other than the psu I made a good choice then.

Langer

02-17-2009, 02:46 PM

I agree - I think it's going to be a really solid build. Also it's certainly not a budget build by my definition.

Goodluck Mate.

Baleful

02-17-2009, 03:00 PM

I agree - I think it's going to be a really solid build. Also it's certainly not a budget build by my definition.

Goodluck Mate.

+1 to that

Oh btw, you better put these SOB's to some good crunching use.

Cutless009

02-17-2009, 03:00 PM

It was budget in the since that I had to build a full quality 3D and graphical workstation, water-cooled, for under $3,000, and it had to last without upgrades or frustrations for the next 3-5 years, and a nice monitor had to be included.

+1 to that

Oh btw, you better put these SOB's to some good crunching use.

He'lls to the yah. Im going to be putting simplicity up until she's sold as well, so you'll see this build and the Q9650 @ 4.5ghz and dual 4870x2's crunching on boinc and F@H for R3

Baleful

02-17-2009, 03:31 PM

Nice, don't forget to post your BOINC benchmark scores.

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 08:37 PM

Got the main parts from newegg today, shoved them all inside the chieftec just to test then out, loading up windows now just to test the system and make sure it all runs at the specified speeds and functions properly when stressed before I start cutting up cases and slapping water cooling on it etc.

Speaking of water cooling, my order from Gary gets here tomorrow, as does my new 24" samsung monitor. Wewt for HD!

Pics up soon :)

smee

02-19-2009, 08:45 PM

WTH!?!?! dude, cannot post telling us you just got $2,000 in parts in the mail, and NOT post pics!!!!!

not cool.

pics naow. :bat:

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 08:51 PM

$2,795 actually :)

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 09:00 PM

shitty teaser shots, sorry I cant seem to put my hand to my tripod, so theyre kinda blurry xD

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/1.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/3.jpg

smee

02-19-2009, 09:13 PM

DAAAAannnnnggggg man..... those three cards are sesky together....

Now get it on watercooling! ;)

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 09:18 PM

lol ok, Ill do that as soon as you convince gary to sponsor me :) lol. Right now only thing going on water is the CPU :)

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 10:19 PM

what do you guys use to OC your video cards? NTune seems to crash my computer no matter what I do.

Fitseries3

02-19-2009, 10:43 PM

evga precision for nvidia cards

Ricey

02-19-2009, 10:50 PM

Nice machine... time to push those video cards... aim 730/1662/1400(2800). Aim 3.6 Ghz on cpu with stock heatsink.

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 11:19 PM

just hit 4ghz on stock cooler :)

headed to OC the cards now, can I run that EVGA utility on non EVGA cards?

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 11:30 PM

hmmm, no matter what I do, my clock speed stays at..... 301mhz? wtf o.0

EVGA and Everest both report my clocks at : 301/602/100 o.0

Cutless009

02-19-2009, 11:47 PM

Ricey

02-20-2009, 12:14 AM

Try 705 core (linked shader) 1300 memory. That's still faster than EVGA SSC or BFG OCX or XFX Black Series.

Congratulations on getting over 4 Ghz on stock air. I would be delighted to just manage 3.8 Ghz. I'll find out this weekend.

Cutless009

02-20-2009, 11:53 AM

Nope it wont go over 675, I think this shitty silverstone POS isnt feeding the cards enough power, or the cpu for that matter, I cant get my ram to clock over DDR3 1066.

ND40oz

02-20-2009, 12:00 PM

heh, my cards dynamically clock depending on load, what a load..... xD

Yah anyways, try and fail at 730 :down: Running 4.179ghz on stock air though :)

P.S. no other fans here other than the CPU cooler and the graphics cards, and whatever air the psu pulls through the case.

What are your temps like on the stock cooler if you load up the processor? I was hitting 80 on 2 cores crunching. Waiting on my 1283 bolt through kit now.

Baleful

02-20-2009, 12:17 PM

What happened to your other PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012&Tpk=T12W)?

I tell yah, you have the worst damn luck of anyone I have ever seen. I can't believe you're already running into trouble.

A quick search on the interwebs revealed that a lot of people are having trouble with OCZ RAM lately, DDR3 to be specific. People are having trouble getting their 1600 RAM at rated speeds, so I would have to imagine those of you that got OCZ's 1866 RAM are SOL.

Ricey

02-20-2009, 12:49 PM

Which Silverstone model is that? Zeus? Olympia? Decathlon? Is that a 1200w model?

zlojack

02-20-2009, 01:18 PM

I have sworn off OCZ RAM. I've had trouble with three different sets of their RAM in the past.

Baleful

02-20-2009, 01:23 PM

You really can't beat Mushkin RAM. The only RAM I use are G. Skill and Mushkin. Never had a problem with either of these.

Ricey

02-20-2009, 01:29 PM

Baleful

02-20-2009, 01:43 PM

I like Corsair. Overpriced and overhyped, but it works. When it doesn't work, I like Corsair's bitch and moan line. Customer service is excellent and they take all complaints politely. They do their best to please the customer. I don't mind paying a little for that level of service.

+1

I can back that up. I've used Corsair in a fair share of builds, never had any problems with it. But like you said it's overpriced and overhyped.

mcoffey

02-20-2009, 01:47 PM

What are your temps like on the stock cooler if you load up the processor? I was hitting 80 on 2 cores crunching. Waiting on my 1283 bolt through kit now.

Yeah,

Mines around 80c @ 1.175v with all 4 core HT on Boinc. I can't imagine pusing it to 1.35v on the stock cooler.

I like to see those temps @ 4.0+, that's for sure.

andyc

Cutless009

02-20-2009, 02:11 PM

Temps at 4.189ghz was too high for my liking, I got my watercooling gear in today so I'm gonna be working on that.

The temps were ~73c idle ~82c load, needless to say it went right back to stock.

Cutless009

02-20-2009, 11:53 PM

So before I pulled this down to put the water cooling in, it pushed a 31,000 3DM Vantage score, is that good?

*edit*

LOL, emails from ProVantage:

From: Bryan Connery [mailto:bryanconnery@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:22 PM
To: PROVANTAGE Orders
Subject: Order Status Update Request #3916919

Can I please get an update for order #3916919? Thank you.

PROVANTAGE Orders to me

Hello

I am very sorry the product is still on order. The current estimated ship date is 3/05/09. If you have any questions please let us know.

Thank you,

Stephen Camburn

Sales Support Representative

PROVANTAGE Corporation

330- 494-3781

330-494-5260 fax

www.provantage.com

Bryan Connery to PROVANTAGE

Wow that long? Did they decide to send somebody by boat to get one from china and walk it to my house from the port?

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 04:13 AM

updatteeeesssss.

I literally only have until the end of sunday to finish this, so I'm haulin ass! Need it done for monday projects! GO GO GO!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/5.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/4-1.jpg

lookin sexy! Top is gettin cut tomorrow for the rad, then the plumbing will happen, then its fill and bleed and GO GO GO! xD So strange to be this close to done already, especially after Formal Black :)

A side note on this case, now that I've had my hands on it and worked with it, I have to HIGHLY recommend this case. If you're worried about taking it apart for paint, dont, the top and bottom are held on by six screws each, after that just take the plastic bits out for mounting hard drives, and paint away! The mounting system is great, and there is tons of room in here. The case is heavy, but thats to be expected. I could probably drive a hummer over this beast and not crush/dent it, its VERY solid. I'm going to be enjoying this case for a LONG time go come.

Just to say it again, the mounting system is WICKED AWESOME. It can be tooless if you have strong fingers, but even so the, way it works is slick, and STABLE. I couldnt pull one of my hard drives out with a hemi ram! The plastic bits even bow out in the middle for extra support, and once its locked in to place, its not comin out!

Langer

02-21-2009, 08:32 AM

Very nice. Looking forward to more.

I also thought you might like to correct this:
Project Function:
CPU: Intel i7 920 - AC Cuplex Di.
GPU: PNY 385GTX in TRI-SLI
RAM: 12gb OCZ DDR3 1866 HPC.
MOBO: EVGA X58.
Case: Chieftec Server Tower

TedShred

02-21-2009, 09:18 AM

looks great. good luck on the push for Sunday finish!

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 11:26 AM

Teaser shot of the tubing going in. Panel is being cut as we speak.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/6.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/7.jpg

Lol that rotary tool is so powerful, its charring the tape as I go along, and I have to be careful not to light the whole thing on FIYA lol.

Ricey

02-21-2009, 12:06 PM

Good for you. I'm so bored because I cancelled everything to build today, and Newegg didn't deliver my stuff yesterday.. I just got delivery e-mail last night.

I'm envious.

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 12:08 PM

Come cut this panel for me then, Im shit at this, this is the first time Ive ever used a rotary tool >.<

TedShred

02-21-2009, 12:14 PM

what kind of rotary tool is that?

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 01:15 PM

Its craftsman's version of the "roto-zip", to give you an idea on how powerful it is, I have it on its lowest setting, and its burning the the metal, hence I am gonna go buy a jigsaw.

Ricey

02-21-2009, 01:19 PM

buy a $80 case.. then buy a $200 jigsaw? :)

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 02:00 PM

Laser Guided Orbital Jigsaw: 29.99
14 Piece Metal Cutting Jigsaw Bit Set: 9.99
2 18" ratchet quick clamps, 2.99 Each

Total with Tax: $41.53

Needed the tools anyways so why not?

Chicken Patty

02-21-2009, 02:24 PM

just subscribing, so far so good. Good choice on the mobo, I love my EVGA x58 :up:

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 02:36 PM

yah it clocks well, I love it! Cant wait to get this water cooling bit done so I can test her out under water!

Chicken Patty

02-21-2009, 02:49 PM

yah it clocks well, I love it! Cant wait to get this water cooling bit done so I can test her out under water!

you'll enjoy it bro, chips overclock pretty easy once you learn them a bit. :up:

Cutless009

02-21-2009, 03:18 PM

I would just like to state for the record, that Feser = SHIT. this thing feels as flimsy as a meth'd out crack whore. Some of my fins even came pre-bent and rusted for me :) how nice was that!

Nothing but HWLabs for me from now on, period. I'll go thermochill when they release their new spacings.

Chicken Patty

02-21-2009, 03:29 PM

bianco

02-21-2009, 06:33 PM

that triSLI is triSEXY.
:up::up::up:

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 12:51 AM

Well she's all plumbed, I ditched the shit tubing and used some spare Tygon R3400 I had lying around and some spare compression fittings I also had lying around. The only problem is BP 1/2" 3/4" Compression Fitting + AC Di = doesnt seal with the rubber o-ring, so Im gonna drain it and wrap it in teflon tomorrow, and she should be ready to go, woot!

LowBrowser

02-22-2009, 04:56 AM

Have you done all your cutting yet? One thing I learned with a cheap rotary tool is wear glasses. First time I used one the cutting disk fractured and hit me on the eyebrow. Keep them very low revolutions, about 2000 is good, and take your time.

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 04:27 PM

so Ive got everything all mounted, but i have a slight problem. My AC block leaks. I originally thought it was the fittings, but then I drained the loop and wrapped the threads in teflon tape, and tried it again, and there is still a leak. Its like a drop every 5 minutes, but thats a pretty hefty leak when it comes to water cooling. I cant imagine a compression fitting leaking from the threads with teflon tape AND an o-ring. It's almost like the top of the block itself is leaking?

Any suggestions?

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 05:40 PM

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 05:41 PM

Nope, I fixed the problem though, I took it apart and put some KY around the rubber gasket and put it back (helps make a seal), then put some extra teflon on the fittings and put it all back together, no more leak now. Lol overkill but who cares xD

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 08:15 PM

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/23ghz.png

26c Idle / 46C Load - Not quite as good as my EK Supreme, but definitely acceptable by a long shot. (this is with fans at half speed)

Boinc CPU Benchmarks:

2/22/2009 8:34:55 PM|| 4075 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
2/22/2009 8:34:55 PM|| 10057 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Ricey

02-22-2009, 09:34 PM

How did you get that 21x multiplier ?

What happenned to those memory timings?

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 09:58 PM

I got the 21x multi with turbo mode in the bios, I think its an EVGA thing. If I turn on turbo mode in the EVGA E-LEET tuner it puts the CPU multi at 21.

Still trying to figure out why my ram wont right at the right speed or timings. Maybe somebody could give me a hint? I've got the voltage at 1.8v (recommended is 1.65, but that didnt work, so I tried upping it), no matter what I do it wont run over 1066. Im a horrible noob with ram, could somebody point me in the right direction?

zlojack

02-22-2009, 10:09 PM

Quite a few of the X58 boards have a bios feature to lock the multi at 21 using turbo.

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 10:20 PM

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 10:23 PM

its set at whatever 1066 is in the bios, because if I try to go above that, it locks up and wont post.

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 10:26 PM

On more benchmark for you guys:

SuperPi 1M: 9.860

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 10:41 PM

its set at whatever 1066 is in the bios, because if I try to go above that, it locks up and wont post.

well it is most likely set at 2:8. Remember for the i7 your uncore has to be at least 2x the RAM divider. So if your uncore is 16x (default) you can not set your memory divider at 2:10 which is probably what it should run at to run at specs. So half of the uncore would be 2:8 thats why when you set it higher it locks. You can try setting the uncore at 20x and ram at 2:10 for divider, but im not sure if that works or not.

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 10:46 PM

sweet Ill give tht a try then.

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 10:51 PM

sweet Ill give tht a try then.

no problem.

Also remember your Uncore (NB SPeed) should be equal or less than your QPI link, althought I have seem people running a higher Uncore (NB Speed) than QPI, but usually thats the theory. For example.

Uncore is default at 16x. If your Base clock (FSB) is 200.

200x16 = 3200 MHz uncore (NB)

QPI at least on my EVGA is by default and not changeable at 18x.

200x18 = 3600 MHz

So before you raise your uncore do you math so it does not lock up and you have to clear CMOS :D

Here this is really helpful bro :up:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3495431&postcount=876

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 10:59 PM

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 11:00 PM

ok if I set my Uncore to 20x, the computer sort of turn on, then it beeps constantly. If I set it to 20x and set the ram to 2:10, it doesnt do anything other than power on. Gonna mess with it some more.

P.S. this power supply is utter shit, I have my VCore set at 1.5v, and its putting out 1.492, FAIL.

yeah I dont think those dividers work, I told you to try but I've never seen anyone try that, I think 2:8 is the max for RAM and uncore I have mine at 17x to give my ram some room. But I think for now set the RAM at 2:8 and uncore at 16x. Go from there, then try to raise your uncore bit by bit see what you can squeeze out of it.

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 11:04 PM

here are some of my settings, my RAM voltage is wrong, BIOS is 1.625v, windows 1.66v. The rest is accurate.

http://img.techpowerup.org/090223/Capture077.jpg

Chicken Patty

02-22-2009, 11:25 PM

any luck dude? :D

Cutless009

02-22-2009, 11:38 PM

nope, cant get it to run past 800mghz ram speed. Im such a noob :-/

Cutless009

02-23-2009, 01:24 AM

So I had a game lock up on me just now, so I checked my temps, my Vreg's are at like ~86C, is that bad? Seems aweful toasty to me.

Cutless009

02-23-2009, 03:07 AM

Hmmm, everest reports that my PCI-E cards are running at 16x/8x/8x? Shouldnt it be 16x/16x/8x? Did I miss something that I need to set manually in the bios or something?

Chicken Patty

02-23-2009, 04:56 PM

Hmmm, everest reports that my PCI-E cards are running at 16x/8x/8x? Shouldnt it be 16x/16x/8x? Did I miss something that I need to set manually in the bios or something?

as far as your vregs, what do you have them set at in the BIOS? I have mine at 800 KHz. what are you current settings?

About the video cards, I dont know, ive never used multiple cards on this board.

Cutless009

02-23-2009, 05:01 PM

which setting is it? I'll tell you.

Chicken Patty

02-23-2009, 05:13 PM

which setting is it? I'll tell you.

it is under "voltage control"

PWM Frequency. You have three options

800 KHz (default), 9** dont remember exactly, and 1067 KHz.

Heres a good overclocking guide BTW :D

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=642527

ND40oz

02-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Hmmm, everest reports that my PCI-E cards are running at 16x/8x/8x? Shouldnt it be 16x/16x/8x? Did I miss something that I need to set manually in the bios or something?

Nope, that's right, 16x on the first slot, 16x on the second slot unless the third is used, then it goes to 8x to the second and sends the other 8x to third.

X58 only supports 36 lanes on its own.

Ricey

02-23-2009, 05:29 PM

Unless you have a mobo with a NF200 chipset in addition to the X58, which would give you 52 or 53 lanes.

EVGA Classified is 16/16/16 + 4+1. P6T6 WS is 16/16/16 + 4.

Cutless009

02-23-2009, 05:31 PM

it is under "voltage control"

PWM Frequency. You have three options

800 KHz (default), 9** dont remember exactly, and 1067 KHz.

Heres a good overclocking guide BTW :D

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=642527

its at 1067 :)

Chicken Patty

02-23-2009, 05:35 PM

its at 1067 :)

drop it to 800 vregs run a lot cooler, trust me I hit 90+ on my vregs before, that fixed the issue.

What are you settings right now, mind posting? :)

rubidium

02-23-2009, 06:22 PM

drop it to 800 vregs run a lot cooler, trust me I hit 90+ on my vregs before, that fixed the issue.

What are you settings right now, mind posting? :)

Perfectly understandable. You're experiencing MOSFET switching loss. With MOSFETs, a higher PWM frequency may keep voltages somewhat more accurate since adjustments are made more often, but the additional switching cycles per unit time result in greater time spent by the device transitioning from on-to-off and off-to-on. During such time the device resistance is relatively high and local power dissipation occurs - and that means heat!:(

rubidium

Chicken Patty

02-23-2009, 06:30 PM

Perfectly understandable. You're experiencing MOSFET switching loss. With MOSFETs, a higher PWM frequency may keep voltages somewhat more accurate since adjustments are made more often, but the additional switching cycles per unit time result in greater time spent by the device transitioning from on-to-off and off-to-on. During such time the device resistance is relatively high and local power dissipation occurs - and that means heat!:(

rubidium

I notice I am more stable at a lower PWM frequency. Maybe higher frequency will benefit if you can keep them cooler, like maybe water cooling, but with the factory heatsink I find 800 KHz the best setting. ;)

Cutless009

03-02-2009, 04:18 PM

Alright guys, she's all done, feel free to comment.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/1.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/2.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/4.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/3.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/34811.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/42ghz.png

just a noob

03-02-2009, 04:35 PM

holy crap, that case is huge(tall) nice looking build, anyway

ZeniTH

03-02-2009, 04:37 PM

Nice and clean ... and it perform too !!!!!!!!!!!

Chicken Patty

03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

dude all I can say is wow :up:

Cutless009

03-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Thanks guys :)

Forgot these!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/5.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Cutless1/Ebay/Project%201/6.jpg

TedShred

03-02-2009, 05:05 PM

oh man, I was going to say how nice the other shots were. Lovin' the frontside view as well. Really nice work! Clean and classy.

ballz0r

03-02-2009, 05:19 PM

Wow Great Build Mate :up: That case is awesome!!! 7 ODD Bays!!! enough room for DVD, Fan Controler and 2 twin bay res!!! faaaark

Lots of room to add stuff later.

can we get some more pics? Id like one showing off the top.

smee

03-02-2009, 05:37 PM

OMGOSH..... That thing is BEAST man!!!!!!

I feel another build coming along for me.... this case, a couple cards, 12GB.... 4 22" screens, 5 500GB seagates..... watercooled to boot...

Dang man you've inspired me! xD

Cutless009

03-02-2009, 05:42 PM

Seriously man, this case is huge. I yelled into it for laughs when it was empty and it actually echo'd, I swear to god.

Chicken Patty

03-02-2009, 06:13 PM

cutless, the rig looks great :up:

Septim

03-04-2009, 06:19 AM

the title of this thread is misleading...

that's a very nice machine there. nice 3dmark scores as well...

Cutless009

03-04-2009, 08:52 AM

Thanks man! good to see you back around :)

I had to laugh at this ass who replied to me on another forum:

In reply to me stating what I study in college:

hello, i RMA motherboards a lot because I overclock their fsb way to high, from 133 to 400mhz then do 3D test renders and play crysis.

Then I post my benchmarks online, always before my motherboard roasts and the fsb turns to ash.

this is the same guy that told me i7's were dual core LOL. What a douchebag.

Chicken Patty

03-04-2009, 05:43 PM

^^^ I'm speechless at that "douchebag" lol

Langer

03-04-2009, 05:48 PM

Some 13yr old with a "swingin' dick" complex most likely.

Cutless009

03-04-2009, 05:50 PM

he's 14, and thinks he knows everything and has a right to treat everyone else like a dick because he's right and their wrong. Nobody likes him, he's a tool.

Chicken Patty

03-04-2009, 06:10 PM

he's 14, and thinks he knows everything and has a right to treat everyone else like a dick because he's right and their wrong. Nobody likes him, he's a tool.

what forum is this douchebag in again :D

Cutless009

03-04-2009, 07:55 PM

more bullshit from said idiot:

I agree Votekick

Poop and stephen are perfect for each other.

They can hug and rub poop on each other while over clocking their pc's so high its unstable. They will sniff and detect the charred poop scent from their overclocked i7's which are burning out. Then giddily grunt racist remarks about obama while giving bush a reach around, jumping, grunting and smearing the poop into each others skin, vigioursly....faster and faster until poop and singed hair smell fills the room.

Poop you should let him remote connect to overclock the new PC your building.

He's on a 3D forum :P

bigslappy

03-04-2009, 08:14 PM

How's that PSU sound Now ???

Chicken Patty

03-04-2009, 08:22 PM

oh my god that dude is ridiculous, please tell me hes banned now.

Cutless009

03-04-2009, 08:44 PM

nope they just put up with that shit over there. not sure why though, I wouldnt want a guy like that in my community. He doesnt even contribute, he doesnt ask questions, get help with anything, or know anything, so wtf? Definition of a troll imo.

sidewinder

03-04-2009, 10:03 PM

By the way, your setup looks great. Plenty of drive spots left open, space to work with, and you have cleaned up the wiring nicely. Is that R3400 or black coolant?

Cutless009

03-05-2009, 02:20 PM

Its R3400 :) Always good to hear compliments from respected memebers/vendors ^_^

Cutless009

03-12-2009, 08:54 AM

Here's a little video I made of the finished build, gonna sell her on ebay, so dont mind the last bit ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Xw8QDjsa8

Cutless009

03-12-2009, 03:15 PM

Ok well, I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and water cool these graphics cards. They just don't get enough air in Tri-SLI and they overheat during gaming. I tested them with FurMark, and they got to 98C then the system crashed, every time. Time to take it a step further!

just a noob

03-12-2009, 03:39 PM

my vote goes towards either the ek blocks for the 285's, or those aqua computerblocks with sli connectors

Cutless009

03-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Ill be getting Watercool 285GTX blocks and their tri sli link most likely.

MomijiTMO

03-12-2009, 07:54 PM

:S

I'm loving the sheer size of the case and great job on such a compact loop.

Chicken Patty

03-21-2009, 02:34 AM

cutless, I just went through the whole thread, and really didnt find a picture of what I was trying to see.

How did you mount your rad to the top of this case? Did you have to modify anything?

Cutless009

03-21-2009, 08:04 AM

yah I cut a hole in the top of the case and mounted it to the case and covered it with a radgrill.

Chicken Patty

03-21-2009, 11:59 AM

yah I cut a hole in the top of the case and mounted it to the case and covered it with a radgrill.

Thank you Sir.

Question. You think doing that there is enough space to mount a GTX 480 up there?

Cutless009

03-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Nope, sorry man. If you stripped the front of the case you could mount one up there though.

Chicken Patty

03-21-2009, 01:34 PM

Nope, sorry man. If you stripped the front of the case you could mount one up there though.

:(

maybe I can just put my AMD rig in there :D I wanna start a little project with one, seems like a fun case to watercool and its very in expensive.

ShoNuff

03-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Ill be getting Watercool 285GTX blocks and their tri sli link most likely.

Looking forward to some pics and your worklog. Pimp those 285 blocks. That should be schweeet!

DexNfX

09-13-2009, 11:52 AM

How cool do those GTX 285 run?

TheMaster

09-14-2009, 06:13 PM

awesome build mate :)