Cosmos S + 4way sli mobo?

[Konkhra]

I have someone asking me to build a system for them using the above...insistant on using the case so it comes down to will this mobo actually fit?

I know that there isnt enough slots to utilize all of the pci slots but guy says he doesn't care since he is just using one gpu(its a workstation for 3d rendering). I have personally never build a pc using this case and do not want to tell this guy some bs becasue he hasn't ordered anything yet.
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[NeverGive7]

First I would ask him why he wants a 4x board if he is only gonna use one GPU ?? Anyways.. I had a Asus P6T in mine and if I would have run 3x SLI it would have put the last card right on top of my PSU... So I venture to say that no the board won't fit.

[slpdLoad]

No reason to go 4-way if you're only gonna use 1 PCIe slot. Just get the regular Classified.

I'm pretty sure you'll hit the power supply with that board. It's a full 1.5" longer than regular ATX.

[Greedseed]

yeah the 4 way is for the huge record breaking rigs with 4 cards ( like the name tels u )

[Konkhra]

Yeah, from looking at pics of the case thats what I thuoght.

As far as why he wants this mobo...no fucking idea, but if I was to guess he went looking for stuff based on price/coolness instead of functionality/usefulness, but if he can afford a $3k quadro then he can pay me a shit ton to build it, lol.

component list:
V-10 cooler
980x
762 classy
6x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB
PNY VCQFX5800-PCIE-PB NVIDIA Quadro FX 5800 Graphics Card
2x Velociraptors in raid 0
CM 1100w psu

So judging by his list and apparent lack of knowledge I think he just had a lot of money to spend and picked high dollar items.
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[Greedseed]

and why do u go 2 raptors ??

use the money u save on the bord and just go a intel M25-X for OS and 1 singel caviar black 1Gb for programs :)

[slpdLoad]

Get a workstation board instead of an overclocking board, and spend the leftover money on something he'll need, like more than 6gb of RAM.

[Silverion77]

Slpd, thats 24GB (6 x 4) :ROTF:

Which is just stupid overkill. I've worked with drafting/rendering machines plenty of times, and they don't come close to using that of having any use for it

[Darkvine]

Fist of does he actually NEED a quadro? From the sound of it, if he looked things up based on price he might not understand that it is a piece of shit for gaming and is a workstation card.

Assuming he actually needs a workstation drop the classified, get a workstation board with dual quad cores or even the six cores Xeon's he has the cash and get SSD's.

There is a lot of wasted/misplaced money in the setup if you are using it as a workstation.

[Silverion77]

Fist of does he actually NEED a quadro? From the sound of it, if he looked things up based on price he might not understand that it is a piece of shit for gaming and is a workstation card.

workstation for 3d rendering
From OP, so yes, the program "should" benefit from the Quadro's specialized drivers. Whether he needs something like the 5800...let the idiot waste his money :D

[slpdLoad]

Whoops! that's what I get for posting on my iPhone.

Nothing about this build makes any sense. But hey, if the client is buying what he wants and you're just building it then fuck it, build whatever he wants. :up:

[Darkvine]

From OP, so yes, the program "should" benefit from the Quadro's specialized drivers. Whether he needs something like the 5800...let the idiot waste his money :D

Weird I read the whole post but somehow missed that part. In that case I would still say a workstation board and SSD's would be a better place to spend that money with a larger benefit.

One good solid SSD should be roughly the same price or close to those raptors and out preform them. Maybe even a RealSSD C300.


Edit: Yeah if that is what the guy wants let him at it I guess, his money, but as a builder if this guy is clueless I think it would be wise to inform him of better options for what he wants to do, if he still wants it then say fuck it and just build it. Just seems like good business to me.

[ablatman]

Yeah, I'm in agreement with what I see above me:

Basically, sit down with the guy and talk with him about it, find out exactly what he wants to do with it, and WHY he wants the parts he has told you he wants, and THEN make some recommendations on other hardware that will better fit his needs. At that point either he takes your advice and gets what *you* recommend, or he pays a lot more for a lot less, and ends up paying you a lot more to modify the shit so that it will all fit right together...

[Snyxxx]

There is a huge performance difference using a workstation card versus a mainstream graphics card in 3D apps like Solid-works, Ansys and Pro-engineer. I have seen it myself in our office and the Quadros pay-off big time when rotating a complicated rendered object on the screen. The consumer level card was chugging like a slide show where as it was buttery smooth on the Quadro.

[ablatman]

There is a huge performance difference using a workstation card versus a mainstream graphics card in 3D apps like Solid-works, Ansys and Pro-engineer. I have seen it myself in our office and the Quadros pay-off big time when rotating a complicated rendered object on the screen. The consumer level card was chugging like a slide show where as it was buttery smooth on the Quadro.

Like I said; Find out what he needs the machine for, and THEN make recommendations based on that.

[Konkhra]

Well, seems he just wants an uber ws, runs fast and quiet, but doesnt want wc'n. got him to reconsider the 762 Classy but I have no clue what would be good ws mobo, wants an x5680 or maybe 2 if he can afford it w/ the quadro and 24gb ram. Really wants the Cosmos so I'll look around tomorrow for some stuff he may want. Would be first for me, have only built pos budget pc's for broke mofos or gaming rigs for me or friends.
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[Snyxxx]

Well, seems he just wants an uber ws, runs fast and quiet, but doesnt want wc'n. got him to reconsider the 762 Classy but I have no clue what would be good ws mobo, wants an x5680 or maybe 2 if he can afford it w/ the quadro and 24gb ram. Really wants the Cosmos so I'll look around tomorrow for some stuff he may want. Would be first for me, have only built pos budget pc's for broke mofos or gaming rigs for me or friends.

Go to professional workstation manufacturers like HP and others that sell to 3D CAD / CAM industry. Solid-works, ANSYS, etc. software websites also have recommended hardware that could give some ideas of compatible builds using server chips and all.

[Floyd]

Slpd, thats 24GB (6 x 4) :ROTF:

Which is just stupid overkill. I've worked with drafting/rendering machines plenty of times, and they don't come close to using that of having any use for it

I have 8 gigs in my work PC and even with huge solidworks files I only use maybe 6gigs. 24 is STUPID overkill.

And I also agree about the quatro. I have a mid grade quatro in my work PC and it handles my drafting programs a LOT better than my SLI 275s.

[Konkhra]

Go to professional workstation manufacturers like HP and others that sell to 3D CAD / CAM industry. Solid-works, ANSYS, etc. software websites also have recommended hardware that could give some ideas of compatible builds using server chips and all.

I did that last night to get some ideas. After looking at prices for a X5680($1700+!) and trying to figure out what would be good, the best option for him would be the Sr-2 mobo but still have the same issue of fitting it into a case. From what I could find last night it was the only ws mobo that had oc features and there is only one case it will fit in right now.

Funny thing is he is willing to spend almost $8+ for cpu/mobo/gpu/ram, but doesn't want to spend more than $500 on storage...:confused:
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[ablatman]

There are at least four cases that MM makes that can fit the SR2, and then there are cases like the Lian-Li PC-P80 that should fit it, and other cases like the Rocketfish cases that Lian-Li made for Best-Buy (although this wouldn't have the nine slots you need, it should have room for the board.)...

Seriously though, getting an E762 is idiocy; either get a 760 with 980X, or an SR2 with Xeons....

[Kuro]

Wheres CM when you need him :rofl: He will know what will fit and whats good

[ND40oz]

Order him a Dell Precision and tack on $300 for yourself to set it up for him. Save yourself the headache.

[Greedseed]

wtf is all this

just get his ass a regular classified X58
with a intel 6Core extreme
the workstation vidcard
cosmos case
12GB ram
some freaking SSD's and some fast HHD's for storage

and the money u save on all this u keep and build your own pc xD

there u have your power house !

[coolmiester]

My turn :crack:

I'd definitely go with a dual CPU board but definitely not the SR-2 as it to much of an enthusiast board, plus its to big to fit into a Cosmos.

He wants something that boots everytime and is reliable so maybe something like a Supermicro X8DAi or X8DAH+-F coupled with a couple of Westmere X5680's if money is not an issue or X5650's to save a bit cash but either will not break sweat with what he is doing.

You would need a PSU with two 8pin motherboard power but there are loads about.

12GB of RAM (6 per CPU will be more than enough)

ND40oz is more up on his Quadro cards so maybe he could recommend something along those lines.

Oh yeah and go SSD's for sure, at least for boot drive with a couple of large drives for storage.

At least it would be a solid work horse and fit into a Cosmos :)

[Kuro]

See I told you so :p thx CM :up:

[Crow]

*ahem*

Foxconn BloodRage + Water cooling w/ single slot GPU blocks.

*walks out*

[ND40oz]

OP, are you providing support for this system?

[Konkhra]

OP, are you providing support for this system?

Not really, he just doesnt want to pay $10k for something he can get built for a few thousand less. Basically all he wants is someone to put all the stuff together and make sure it works.

Right now he is picking all of the parts and paying for them, the only thing I will have invested in it is the time to put it together and get it working, maybe oc'd depending on what build he picks, right now it will either be a dual socket Xeon rig or a 980x on something like a 760.

Honestly glad I am not involved into it anymore than I am, changes his mind to much and I got a feeling that no matter what he gets he will not be happy with it and just annoy the fuck out of me because of it.
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[Kuro]

sound like you got a shit client

I suppose all you can do is make it shit quick so he wont complain

[ND40oz]

No, the easiest thing to do is have him call Dell or HP. If you aren't a system builder, no reason to go through with it, not worth it to try as an on the side job. This guy sounds like an ass who only knows that he wants a "workstation" and after he gets it, he's going to want "workstation support"...

[Marne]

agreed. this reminds me of my cousins. i dont know how many times they have asked me to make the internet faster for them by adding ram in that they expect me to buy for them. needless to say they know better than to speak to me about a fucked up computer

[Silverion77]

No, the easiest thing to do is have him call Dell or HP. If you aren't a system builder, no reason to go through with it, not worth it to try as an on the side job. This guy sounds like an ass who only knows that he wants a "workstation" and after he gets it, he's going to want "workstation support"...

Yea, I wholeheartedly agree here. I build systems on the side (5 more on the way), but i know that they can do most of the stuff on their own. Otherwise, they also have their own support through the hospital.

If you feel that this person is incompetent to take care of this computer on his own, I wouldn't bother. He'll come back and bite you straight in the ass with problems and he won't care whether you agreed or not.

[Floyd]

agreed. this reminds me of my cousins. i dont know how many times they have asked me to make the internet faster for them by adding ram in that they expect me to buy for them. needless to say they know better than to speak to me about a fucked up computer

If they think adding ram will make your net faster then they have some issues lol.

[Snyxxx]

Otherwise, they also have their own support through the hospital.


Great line.

[Konkhra]

Yea, I wholeheartedly agree here. I build systems on the side (5 more on the way), but i know that they can do most of the stuff on their own. Otherwise, they also have their own support through the hospital.

If you feel that this person is incompetent to take care of this computer on his own, I wouldn't bother. He'll come back and bite you straight in the ass with problems and he won't care whether you agreed or not.

In response to both posters, that was my initial response to him, find a company that will actually serve him better, as I told him I do this for fun mostly and for family/friends/friends of friends, etc. and am not a professional.

But I think the guy has been bs'n or just a fucking clown, came back to me wanting a completely different set up using a Rampage/980x build after I gave him 2 builds for an I7 or dual Xeon specifically for what he wanted.

Seriously, if my g/f hadn't set it up and we weren't buying a house this month and need the extra money I would just walk away. Still might, but another couple hundred bucks for a few hours of my time(hopefully) is hard to pass up. Added to that she is already a whiny bitch, if I bail on it I got to hear her bs, lol.
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