Nvidia Geforce GTX 480 Dissected

[RRbot]

Atomic MPC have disassembled the Geforce GTX 480 in a series of 24 images. For the first time, we have a clear look at the GTX 480's PCB and the cooling system covering it.

There's no doubt the GTX 480 is a hot product. Nvidia have managed to bring the TDP down to 250W, but still, it remains the hottest single GPU product ever. To cool the GTX 480, Nvidia have employed a rather unique cooling system, as Atomic MPC demonstrate.


More... (http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-dissected/8668.html)


Picture Gallery (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Gallery/170368,nvidia-gtx480-disassembly-guide.aspx/1)

[Overclocking101]

bout fuckin time! nvidia has been putting this off for how long? even with leaked photos and shit the pics were still blacked out in spots

[EIGHTLUG]

nVidia is doing the equivalent of your girlfriend sexting you for three months and driving you nuts before you get to hit it. It's such bullshit. For that I say :bird: nVidia.

[p0Pe]

available for christmas huh :rofl: :ROTF:

[KaptCrunch]

great for WC just leave on ram and add your WB (http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.haymarket.net.a u%2fGalleries%2f20100324113626_IMG_0219+copy.jpg&h=450&w=665)

market share there 8L for 2 horse race ati vs nv, its ati this turn round

[ablatman]

Is the gallery not working for anyone else?

[Liu Kang]

Is the gallery not working for anyone else?
"Showing 1 to 0 of 0"... there doesn't seem to be any pics :(

[ablatman]

Well fuck me running. I was really looking forward to seeing those pics; looks like they may have gotten a stern talking to by some lawyers....


Man I fucking hate lawyers...

[Liu Kang]

Really, you think there's NDAs around this thing still?

[ablatman]

Really, you think there's NDAs around this thing still?

There definitely are, although how restrictive they are isn't something I know (Basically, it could be anywhere from "just don't put up benchmarks until the 27th" to "keep it in a locked room with no windows, don't talk about it to anyone, don't show anyone, and make sure to read it a bedtime story and then tuck it into bed every night" like Apple is doing for their new sanitary napkin...). If there weren't NDA's on it, we would likely have already seen independent benchmarks of the cards; Given that we haven't, it's a very good indicator that the cards are still under NDA, at least until they are officially released this weekend.

[ballz0r]

damn.... anyone got it in their cache?

[mcoffey]

Fuck, no pics and my :nutsack: started hurting again. It's like I'm getting blue balls or something waiting on these things :banghead:

[Liu Kang]

I haven't paid much attention to these cards, although I'm interested in buying some... I saw an NVIDIA executive showing off the card in a video, and saw some pics on HardwareCanucks, so I figured the card was "out".

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/xfx-retail-gtx480-gtx-470-cards-pictured/

[slpdLoad]

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[Marne]

from what i saw the new 480 is gonna be a fucking tank of a card physically. that heatsink looked mean as shit. plus it had a delta fan on that fucker LOL. shits gonna sound like an eagle. oh well. soon enough it will be in the rig boiling water in a radiator.

[slpdLoad]

Pics updated

[vanarnam]

nice heatsink.

GTX 295's at full speed are a good bit louder than 9800gx2's or other single GPU GTX 200's, so I'd imagine these got a similar fan as to the 295's...

wonder how they're gonna make a dual GPU one given the TDP issues...

[Marne]

hook it up to its own nuclear submarine and a mini nasa spec windtunnel. thats how you can power and cool a dual 480 card lol

[mcoffey]

Thanks for posting the pics. I'm pretty excited about the cards myself as I haven't upgraded the GPU's in my main rig for almost 2 years. So I'm due:)

andyc

[Mikecdm]

After taking it apart it doesn't look like it will need a big water block like most nvidia cards. Seems like a smaller block like on ATI cards will be enough.

[ablatman]

wonder how they're gonna make a dual GPU one given the TDP issues...

If they do one on this fab process, it'll likely be another dual-board card like the original 295's. I don't know how they'd handle the TDP, but looking at that, it looks like the GPU is fairly close to the back of the case; I'm thinking that if they made the card a bit longer (up to the length of the dual-GPU 5-series card) that they'd be able to mate up the boards so that one had the GPU core towards the back of the case, and the other had it's towards the front, with both GPU's a little further from the center than that one is now, and the fan in the middle like the single-PCB 295....

[Snyxxx]

Thanks for posting the pics. I'm pretty excited about the cards myself as I haven't upgraded the GPU's in my main rig for almost 2 years. So I'm due:)

andyc

I am even more due. I am still running dual 8800GTXs. :D

After trying X-fire ATI 4850s (supposedly faster than 8800GTX), I was not impressed with the drivers and will wait for nvidia only cards from now on.

[Marne]

i went from a 65nm 260 that dont OC for shit to a SLI setup with a 55nm that dont OC for shit to just the 55nm when the older one exploded.

having just one card knowing your hardware is capable of so much more is heartbreaking lol. cant wait to see the reviews and benchmarks on these. red or green it dont matter to me. as long as it hauls balls :D

[Merby]

its inevitable for ati to win out. now that amd owns ati. and intel and nvidia in lawsuits between each other

[Crow]

i went from a 65nm 260 that dont OC for shit to a SLI setup with a 55nm that dont OC for shit to just the 55nm when the older one exploded.

having just one card knowing your hardware is capable of so much more is heartbreaking lol. cant wait to see the reviews and benchmarks on these. red or green it dont matter to me. as long as it hauls balls :D

Just for the record, you knew that on the 55nm GTX 260s, you had to LOWER the voltage to OC the cards, right?

[Marne]

who owns who and what the legal status has NO bearing on anything.

it comes down to who put up the money to push there silicon to the max. simple as that.
i dont care if it looks like a polished turd nor what company its from or anything like that shit.

does it absolutely rape gaming performance? yep? i want it.

[Merby]

lol.......


-edit: think long term. one company can coordinate the compatibility of motherboard chips, cpu, and vpu.

[Kuro]

it needs to be on water thats where the real performance gains will be seen with OCing :crack: :coke:

[Merby]

my 5850 oc's too high on stock cooling to justify getting a block for it. but i gotta do it soon just too be an actual "water cooler" :p

[Morae]

Many thanks to slpdLoad for posting up the pics! Very nice to see some internals finally.

[ablatman]

i went from a 65nm 260 that dont OC for shit to a SLI setup with a 55nm that dont OC for shit to just the 55nm when the older one exploded.

having just one card knowing your hardware is capable of so much more is heartbreaking lol. cant wait to see the reviews and benchmarks on these. red or green it dont matter to me. as long as it hauls balls :D

Honestly though, I'm on a single stock clocked (well sorta; it came flashed as a Super-Clocked card, as did my previous 260 that I stepped up to the 275 from did) air-cooled card, and it does just fine for pretty much everything I use it for. Honestly, for the last gen, the 275 is where it was at. No bullshit with AMD drivers, and pretty much all the performance of a 280/285 except for very high resolutions where the larger memory of a 285 allow it to excel...

its inevitable for ati to win out. now that amd owns ati. and intel and nvidia in lawsuits between each other

Honestly, I don't think it'll be a product AMD having bought ATi out, or that Intel and Nvidia are in a pissing match that will decide things; I think it'll boil down to simple profitability. If you look at Nvidia's Fermi core below, it's roughly four times (give or take a bit) the size of AMD's 5xx0 core. When you couple a chunk of silicon that size with bad/low yields, and compare it to something like AMD's chip which is a much smaller chip with presumably much better yields, and you'll see why AMD has pretty much already won this generation by a lot.

With their 4XX0 series, ATi/AMD decided to move away from the tendancy to make a larger, hotter GPU for each successive generation, and so they focused more on keeping the size and TDP down as much as possible. They targeted the mid range and low-end parts (which is where most of the profits actually are), and pretty much solely based on their decision to use GDDR 5 memory ended up with a card to rival Nvidia's high-end cards....

Honestly, I expect Nvidia to do something similar with their NEXT card after this one. More performance is nice, but these huge cores just aren't viable, especially when the manufacturing yields are as bad as they appear to be. (at least judging by the fact that we're essentially getting an upgraded 260 core 192 and 260 core 216 with no upgraded 280)

[Tiny]

so do these cards go up for sale the 26th?

[Morae]

Bitspower Black Freezer XT for GTX400
http://forums.legitreviews.com/about26731.html

Crappy little article for a BP block apparently partnered with sticker-monger Inno3D. Two different blocks are shown though.

[Merby]

ya, I pretty much update my drivers every 3 weeks. but i think they are getting better. I think amd/ati is trying to throw out products as quick as they can and worry about the software after wards.

[mcoffey]

so do these cards go up for sale the 26th?

No..today is when the NDA is lifted so we can see some real reviews and numbers. From what I understand, they'll go on sale on April 6th. Nvidia always launches the new cards on Tuesdays, but we'll find out more today after 6:30 EDT when the NDA officially lifts.

andyc

[Snyxxx]

Nvidia always launches the new cards on Tuesdays,

andyc

Just like DVDs.

[rubidium]

I was really looking forward to upgrading to the 480 from my 280, but sadly I can't say I'm enthused any longer. Crappy yields have led to the realization of 480 cores on what was to be a 512 core chip. Given the price point this card is being introduced at, power consumption, and heat dissipation, I don't see nVidia whopping ATI's ass in this round. I'll live with my current 280 until they hopefully get their ass together in the next cycle.

[p0Pe]

hahaha :D i just saw a few reviews! thank to fucking god that one is a ATI fans these days lol :rofl: xDDD

[Silverion77]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/

Really after seeing this....im not even gonna bother.

[just a noob]

I'm curious to know what the waterblocks are going to look like, that's going to be my deciding factor, since they're basically equal in terms of performance

[ablatman]

I'm curious to know what the waterblocks are going to look like, that's going to be my deciding factor, since they're basically equal in terms of performance

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1479-AR
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1489-AR

http://www.dangerden.com/images/stories/blocks/IMGP0598.jpg

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/7683/


There you've got three waterblocks; EVGA's, Danger Den's, and Bitspower's. Personally, I like EVGA's solution the best overall...

[Merby]

gtx 480 250 watts
5870 188 watts

[4 73h l055]

I've only heard shit from EVGA WBs AFAIK. :bird: :moon:

Waiting on Heatkillers and EKs. :coke::crack:

[Morae]

The common opinion amongst reviews seem to be pretty damned mediocre. Nobody is impressed. The card is merely "passable".

Can't say I'm impressed either. Guess I'll be waiting for nVidia to redesign the damned thing to something more respectable. I have zero interest in a dual GPU board that draws close to 500 fucking watts. And ATI isn't even a consideration for me. Dissappointing round, and a long wait until I bother with DX11.

Meh.

[4 73h l055]

ATI isn't a consideration? What's wrong? :confused:

Well anyway, the GTX 480 has been a disappointment. It WAS SUPPOSED to mow down EVERYTHING, so much for that... Can't say the same about the GTX470 though, ATI's got some competition between there.

Dual Fermi's in SLI, you are fucking kidding me... :comp1:

[BiNGE]

I want to say more, but it's like beating a dead cat... nV is hurt big time.

[Merby]

my 5850 has been the least disappointing card i've purchased. and iv'e switched between nvidia and ati every build. oc'ing to 1000mhz core and 1200mhz memory on stock cooling isn't too bad either :P.

[Morae]

ATI isn't a consideration? What's wrong? :confused:

Old stigmatisms die hard. In my head, ATI has always been the wimpy, value-priced competitor. It almost feels like I could apply the term "family-oriented". Whereas nVidia has always felt like the more mature, adult offering. Like AMD has always been the kid-friendly version of processors. Or Sanyo compared to Denon. Audiovox compared to JBL. Jensen compared to Harman Kardon. Radio Shack compared to Motorola. Sears compared to Whirlpool.

It's hard to shake that opinion.

nVidia beat ATI, technically, but their offering is still piss-poor this round. I'll wait until they get their formula back in order.

[vanarnam]

as a folder (i've haven't gamed since quake 1 in high school), i'm glad to see the shader clocks are high and the gaming benchmarks aren't that great. here's hoping they release some dual GPU versions later this yr...

[Morae]

Sometimes the world of Big Business law is strange to me.

So, a Wal*Mart has decided it wants a fast-food resturante in its store. It notifies McDonald's and Burger King of this. The two fast-food giants have similar offers on the table, but Burger King offers Wal*Mart employees free meals. Burger King wins. Does McDonald's sue Wal*Mart, or drag Burger King to court because they took initiative?

[mcoffey]

I don't know what others are seeing and reading, but based on the sites I trust, looks like the GTX 480 in SLI is the shit @ 2560x1600. I'll damn sure be hitting ctr F5 come the 12th when the card come in stock:jumping2:

andyc

[mcoffey]

I really hate posting this but, intel paying off companies to not sell amd chips when they had better performance and lower power consumption is the dick move that made them "kid-friendly version" of processors they are today.

That is legal competition. McDonald's did not attempt prevent customers from buying burgerking's product. Nor attempt to create a monopoly.

-walmart prefers subway now :P. I think this is more of wal-mart becoming a monopoly lol

read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/technology/companies/05chip.html

sums up lawsuit very well. Even if your firm in your belief its always good to see the other side of the story. I've only had basic economics so my knowledge of monopolistic competition is limited.

And just what in the ever living fuck does any of that horse shit have to do with the GTX 480 there dude:shrug:

andyc

[Merby]

Deleted. I'm bad at going offtopic. Me badskies

[Kuro]

Maingear is already offering Tri SLI GTX480

http://www.maingear.com/nvidiagtx480/images/geforce.png

Shows what you can get with a high profile company

[coolmiester]

Original post by Bit-Tech
The HD 5870 remains a far better choice if you're a gamer; while we've yet to see how the GTX 480 performs with CUDA apps and Folding, at this stage Fermi looks like a flop.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 1,536MB Review (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2010/03/27/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-1-5gb-review/1)

oh dear oh dear oh dear :nono1:

[EIGHTLUG]

:shrug: Well atleast the new nVidia cards can still beat ATi in heat and power consumption!!! :ROTF: So on those cold winter months, if you're looking for an expensive heater. Get yourself a GTX 480. That's about fuckin' it! :bird: a bunch of Fermi. Fuckin' waste of time and money if you ask me. May as well wait until the next time 'round for nVidia to get their shit straight. I mean 2-3 frames better than a 295??? How do you spell, fuckin piece of garbage in five letters?, FERMI. I shun all who buy this overhyped, half ass attempt at getting a next generation card to the consumer.

[Snyxxx]

I cannot believe all the shit here. I am with mcoffey and will be buying two of these.

I have mostly run Nvidia, but have tried and still use x-fire 4850s in another rig and the bullshit drivers is why I will stay with Nvidia.

GTX480:
Speed = little better than ATIs best single GPU (check)
Heat Output too High = So what, will be under water (check)
Power consumption too High = So what, have a 1,000 W PSU
Cost = ~$50-100 more. So what, over a year or two, this is nothing.
Direct X 11 (Check)

What really pisses me off is ATI has no way of showing X-fire is working or not besides running a benchmark or furmark. With Nvidia driver, I can turn on the on-screen visual indicators to see not only which SLI mode is working, but how efficient it is working. Nobody beats Nvidia with multi-GPUs.

[rubidium]

The unfavorable trade among power consumption, heat dissipation, price, and performance is bad enough for a so-called "next generation" card. We expected a lot more. But being offered a card that has 1/16-th of it intentionally crippled in order to band-aid fundamental flaws in the fabrication process adds insult to injury. :bird:

[RedRaider]

I have now decided to definately NOT buy the GTX480.

It is a dumbed down gf100.

Only using 15 SPs, instead of the 16 SPs available, hence the 480 instead of 512 shaders.

Q4-2010 is when the REAL gf100's will be released, with 16 SPs enabled, I can only hope these will perform better than the GTX480.

Memory seems to be a problem as well for the GTX480.

You guys have fun and enjoy your purchases, I'll wait this one out.

[just a noob]

:hmm: The gtx 470 is pretty tempting...

[EIGHTLUG]

Those guys runing SLi 295's are probably stroking their collective cocks in enjoyment, due to their great purchases and this news about FERMI.

[RedRaider]

:hmm: The gtx 470 is pretty tempting...

How about putting your money to better use by sending it to me as a donation for my addictions...:crack:

:bird: GTX480/470

[Morae]

It's good to see you optimistic, Red. Makes me a bit optimistic. Maybe I'll give DX11 a shot come end of the year, then.

[just a noob]

How about putting your money to better use by sending it to me as a donation for my addictions...:crack:

:bird: GTX480/470

I'm guessing you like Ati now then :fag:? :p

[RedRaider]

:bird: ATI


I'm really happy with my 2x GTX285's...:crack:

[Marne]

fuck. well that blows two donkey dicks. now wtf do i do for an upgrade. i waited 6 months for fermi and its shit. id LIKE to get an upgrade but than i gotta deal with trying to find waterblocks for old hardware at this point. wtf.

[Kuro]

poor marne

[Marne]

fuck it. trolling fleabay

[Baleful]

It still beats out ATI's single GPU solution in most cases, but I honestly expected much more.

[mcoffey]

The way I look at it, got to upgrade sooner or later from my SLI 280's, and I don't want anything to do with ATI cards.:bird: For me, 2 of the 480's in SLI, or 3 in Tri SLI will represent a huge performance gain running at 2560x1600. The only thing that makes me somewhat hesitant is maybe a 480 Ultra version with 512 shaders not to far down the road.

I guess I can see where the frustration comes from for some people based on which review you read. I'm still curious about what people expected from a single GPU based card compared to a dual GPU based cards like the GTX 295 or ATI 5970 :shrug:

Oh well, I guess I better grease up that CTRL F5 key in prep for April 12th.

andyc

[Marne]

i get confused as to what is what from the red camp. as i read more and more reviews im starting to see a trend. no matter what it still kicks the living shit out of my 260. i might still get a pair dunno

[RedRaider]

The main problem I have is the fact they had to 'dumb down' the cards, due to their foundry not making cores that are high bin. These are low bin pos cores.:bird:

ATI 5970 fucking smokes the GTX480:rofl:

[Darkvine]

Ah fuck here I was sitting on my thumb waiting for these cards to come out while I am about to move (won't have money till after the move but will be living cheaper afterwards) and it turns out to be crap.

I was expecting to go with ATI Anyways, but that was based on price since the green team have a history of $500+ cards at release (GTX280). My main disappointment after reading hardware canucks and Anand tech is the power needs. :bird: some might say they have the power supply for it and hell I do to but I still pay my fucking power bill :bird:

[rubidium]

The way I look at it, got to upgrade sooner or later from my SLI 280's, and I don't want anything to do with ATI cards.:bird: For me, 2 of the 480's in SLI, or 3 in Tri SLI will represent a huge performance gain running at 2560x1600. The only thing that makes me somewhat hesitant is maybe a 480 Ultra version with 512 shaders not to far down the road.

I guess I can see where the frustration comes from for some people based on which review you read. I'm still curious about what people expected from a single GPU based card compared to a dual GPU based cards like the GTX 295 or ATI 5970 :shrug:

Oh well, I guess I better grease up that CTRL F5 key in prep for April 12th.

andyc

With this being their flagship card, to me the 480 vs 512 core issue serves as a bellwether for indicating an unresolved production problem at the foundry with a die size of this magnitude. One has to question "What other skeleton lies dormant within that closet?" I was all over the Fermi architecture, but I'm now going to wait it out until it appears that it can be implemented better. I suspect that when I see the emergence of a balls-to-the-wall, no-graphics, computing processor (Fermi analogy to the Tesla c1060) card, they'll have fixed the major issues with a card of the -480 class. One can only hope that will be later this year.

[mcoffey]

The main problem I have is the fact they had to 'dumb down' the cards, due to their foundry not making cores that are high bin. These are low bin pos cores.:bird:

ATI 5970 fucking smokes the GTX480:rofl:

Yeah...and that pretty much means an Ultra version not to far down the road. SLI 480's pretty much stomp the shit out of ATI's 5970 running at 2560x1600. Since ATI can't seem to get their shit together with CF, along with most of their fucked up drivers, the GTX 480 is the only way to go right now.

andyc

[Darkvine]

Yeah...and that pretty much means an Ultra version not to far down the road. SLI 480's pretty much stomp the shit out of ATI's 5970 running at 2560x1600. Since ATI can't seem to get their shit together with CF, along with most of their fucked up drivers, the GTX 480 is the only way to go right now.

andyc

Personally to go with them this round i need to see the 485/whatever they want to call it. OR I need Crysis 2 or something to come out, since either of them get stressed by anything and even low FPS are well about playable that isn't to much of a factor other then getting a bigger e-cock.

Now on the other hand folding and benchmarking could be the reason I go green, but still not with the 480.

[mcoffey]

Yeah...the more I think about, not like I have to upgrade right now. I can still game at 2560x1600 with the setup I have now. So if the GTX 480's are readily available come the 12th, I'll probably get 2 or 3, and dump them when the Ultra's or GTX 485's launch. If not and they go out of stock, I'll just wait most likely. Just depends what mood I'm in come the 12th.

andyc

[RedRaider]

get'em Andy and let us know if they are shit or not:hehe:

[coolmiester]

get'em Andy and let us know if they are shit or not:hehe:

LMFAO..........post of the day right there :D

[ablatman]

:bird: ATI


I'm really happy with my 2x GTX285's...:crack:

And I'm fairly happy with my 275, but I'd kinda like more GPU power. I've been on the lookout for a decent deal on a 275, but at this point the only two places I see selling them are Gary (out of stock, and it's the wrong version anyway) and ZipZoomFly, who is ALSO out of stock, and wants 270 for it... Fuck that.

I'm thinking 350-82=268 for a 470 is better than the same amount of money for a second 275.

I'm still undecided about whether or not I'll get one though; I'm thinking of maybe getting this generation's 260 (470) skipping this gen's 260 C216 (480) and waiting for the replacement of the 275 (whatever has fully functional GPU core while not being the highest end offering) to go SLI with......

[Merby]

i guess you can unlock shaders anymore on nvidia?

[Marne]

AFAIK you never COULD "unlock" shaders. its possible to unlock the 4tf core on some tri core cpus due to it really being a quad core and them labeling one core as shit. hence tri core.


on gpus normally its either there ir its not. its just physically missing from the card itself.

[ablatman]

AFAIK you never COULD "unlock" shaders. its possible to unlock the 4tf core on some tri core cpus due to it really being a quad core and them labeling one core as shit. hence tri core.


on gpus normally its either there ir its not. its just physically missing from the card itself.

Nah dude, it's there, it's just not active, usually due to an error with the manufacturing process; the larger your die size is (the piece of the silicon wafer that you need whole), the more likely you are to have yield issues due to manufacturing defects. This is a large part of why prices often come down a lot with die shrinks -- they've got higher yields because they get more chips per wafer that don't have major defects on them.


The issue with AMD tri-core ones is likely them down-binning decent chips just because that's the SKU that's selling -- it's essentially the same reason why you get 920's that don't overclock for shit (like the one in this machine) and then you get ones that OC to massive amounts stably all on air (much less water, compressor/evap setup, cascade, DICE, LN2, or LHE). There are times where they down-bin chips just because they have too many chips that pass higher bins and they need chips for the lower bins....

Then there are times like this Nvidia release where, presumably, the yields are bad enough that they don't have anywhere near enough full-featured parts to be able to sell them, so they're forced to sell two lower-bin chips without the full-featured chip even making an appearance. It's a shame IMO....


But anyway, to answer what Marne was saying, the shaders are there, just like the second QPI link and fourth memory controller channel are physically present on my CPU, just not active because of binning/defects.

[scraps]

I still want to see the difference in crunching between these and a 295, as far as the benches and gaming goes it is what I was expecting, ~480 cuda cores is ~480 cuda cores. Lets hope somewhere down the line we see that these are really not that bad after all....
But since a EVGA GTX 470 is 50$ cheeper than a EVGA GTX 285, how can you not get one?

[Liu Kang]

Another good article on HWC: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30297-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-review.html

[mcoffey]

Another good article on HWC: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30297-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-review.html

Nice one, I hadn't read it till you posted the link. In SLI or Tri SLI, fucking GTX 480 will be the shit based on what I want a system to do. Only thing that's got me on the fence right now is what the potential difference will be with the next Fermi release. Like the difference between the GTX 280 and GTX 285's when that architecture first came out. Pretty good little jump on those two versions, and I always sort of wished I waited for the 285's.

Thanks for the link,

andyc

[scraps]

Nice one, I hadn't read it till you posted the link. In SLI or Tri SLI, fucking GTX 480 will be the shit based on what I want a system to do. Only thing that's got me on the fence right now is what the potential difference will be with the next Fermi release. Like the difference between the GTX 280 and GTX 285's when that architecture first came out. Pretty good little jump on those two versions, and I always sort of wished I waited for the 285's.

Thanks for the link,

andyc

I believe that this time the difference will be more substantial, but I also have my four leaf clover, real rabbits foot, and a fucking horse-shoe that I keep dumping it's magic over my mobo and gpu's hopeing these Fermi cards are gonna become better then what people are saying...and not another 8800gt to 9800gt shenanigan

[Darkvine]

Nice one, I hadn't read it till you posted the link. In SLI or Tri SLI, fucking GTX 480 will be the shit based on what I want a system to do. Only thing that's got me on the fence right now is what the potential difference will be with the next Fermi release. Like the difference between the GTX 280 and GTX 285's when that architecture first came out. Pretty good little jump on those two versions, and I always sort of wished I waited for the 285's.

Thanks for the link,

andyc

My hope is that they get the power draw down on the GTX485. It is pretty power hungry compared to its ATi counter part, more so when SLI vs crossfire.

[Schlosser]

Yeah, looking at power consumption vs. performance, ATi definitely has the upper hand this round.

[ablatman]

Nice one, I hadn't read it till you posted the link. In SLI or Tri SLI, fucking GTX 480 will be the shit based on what I want a system to do. Only thing that's got me on the fence right now is what the potential difference will be with the next Fermi release. Like the difference between the GTX 280 and GTX 285's when that architecture first came out. Pretty good little jump on those two versions, and I always sort of wished I waited for the 285's.

Thanks for the link,

andyc

That's pretty much all I was trying to say above -- essentially that this is the lower performing and hotter step-child of Fermi, and that I'd recommend holding off on getting a lot of the high end ones so that you can save the cash for the REAL ones when they come out...

[ILikeCosmosS]

I havent been active lately and have forgot
Is fermi 40nm? Or is it the 55nm ?
To tri sli these you would need that horrible ultrax3 1600watt

[BigMyke]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4470476777_485e4e6bb2_o.jpg

Waiting for the 485 gtx

[rubidium]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4470476777_485e4e6bb2_o.jpg

Waiting for the 485 gtx

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Overclocking101]

looking at the reviews and thinking, did nvidia not learn from the 8800gt's heatsink shroud?? Point being this. when 8800gt was launched the fans hole in the heatsink shroud was small much like that of the GF100. problem: overheating artifacts etc. so they released a v2 heatsink, same thing simply larger fan hole, droped gpu temps 10c load and 15-20c idle due to better airflow etc. when you look at the pics of fermi vs GTX280 it is very noticable that the hole on the fermi's are tiny much smaller than the previos gens shrouds, why?? makes no sense especially when the cards are overheating as they sit. ugh!

[scraps]

I havent been active lately and have forgot
Is fermi 40nm? Or is it the 55nm ?
To tri sli these you would need that horrible ultrax3 1600watt

40, and the board should only need ~22 amps for the amount of cores they are using (a little less then a 295) http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30297-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-review-2.html

[sidewinder]

I like nvidia but... 90+ Celsius is inexcusably hot

[Darkvine]

I like nvidia but... 90+ Celsius is inexcusably hot

+1 to that. GTX485 better step things up and get the temps and power consumption.

[Hyper Cool]

Pretty freekin amazing, but what about the number, show us the real deal. Pretty pics do not equate to mind blowing performance. I want to see some real numbers. Put the card through the paces. It is also my understanding these cards run :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: :jumpingfire: HOT!

[Hyper Cool]

BigMyke I could have not said it any better. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[just a noob]

I think i just had a seizure from all those emotes lol

[mcoffey]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4470476777_485e4e6bb2_o.jpg

Waiting for the 485 gtx

LMFAO..Big Mike get's another post of the day award:rofl:

andyc

[Kuro]

I totally agree :ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:

[scraps]

Are these for sale anywhere yet??

[mcoffey]

Should be on sale the 12th,

andyc

[EIGHTLUG]

*NEWS FLASH* It looks like XFX sees the new cards as huge hunks of shit too and will not stand lock step with nVidia as an AIB partner. I don't see why they'd have to settle on push this half assed product now that they also have ATi cards under their umbrella.

XFX Will Not Offer GeForce 470/480 Series GPUs - Says Fermi is Fermented
We just received confirmation that XFX, a division of PINE Technologies, will not be releasing any GeForce GTX 470/480 series graphics cards to the market when the cards become public next month. XFX was not listed as a launch partner for Fermi and did not issue a press release about the upcoming cards, which might come as a shock to many of our readers as they are one of the largest NVIDIA add-in board (AIB) partners in the world! XFX said that the decision not to carry this series of GF100 graphics card was their decision and that they will still be carrying NVIDIA products. From our conversation with XFX they mentioned that they have "yet to see whether the fermented launch will reach an inglorious anti-climax" and mentioned they want to "Ferm up to who really has the big Guns". We are guessing they mean AMD and it sounds like they have something special cooking up there too.:fight16:

from:

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/7707/

[coolmiester]

Honestly if i was in the market for a couple of new cards, i would look out for the dual PCB 295's as the price may well drop........the only problem is finding those damn things.

Another one is the GTX265 AMP edition - i have one here that beats my 285's in all 3dMark apps so they got to be worth considering given their price.

I don't think i would be dropping those sort of prices on a GTX480 though :confused:

[Marne]

That's gonna fucking hurt dude.

[Darkvine]

XFX move seems odd in more then the faults of the GTX480/470. Sure they have down sides but it isn't THAT bad. And now there are other reports of vendors who are lacking in Nvidia releases though nothing official from them on not making it.

Makes me wonder if they know something from ATi we don't; maybe a 5890/5990 is coming up. I doubt that is enough reason to kill off your high end green team line but could play a factor.

[EIGHTLUG]

Here's a new nVidia benchmarking tool. It's the "Time required to cook a raw egg" benchmark V 4.80.70 The software can be downloaded at your local grocery store. Aisle 4 has the foil and check the cooler aisle for you particular egg of choice.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff153/conceptmuscle/egg_cooking.jpg

[Kuro]

EIGHTLUG another great one :ROTF::ROTF:

[Crow]

Honestly if i was in the market for a couple of new cards, i would look out for the dual PCB 295's as the price may well drop........the only problem is finding those damn things.

Another one is the GTX265 AMP edition - i have one here that beats my 285's in all 3dMark apps so they got to be worth considering given their price.

I don't think i would be dropping those sort of prices on a GTX480 though :confused:

I'm seeing an EVGA GTX 285 for sale for $250 on another forum, and a guy is selling off his 3 GTX 280s for $200. I'm totally considering buying one.

[mcoffey]

I'm seeing an EVGA GTX 285 for sale for $250 on another forum, and a guy is selling off his 3 GTX 280s for $200. I'm totally considering buying one.

Hold off for a couple weeks or so and I'll sell you my LC'd 280's for a decent price. They OC to 756 like it was nothing. PM if you want details,

andyc

[Greedseed]

Here's a new nVidia benchmarking tool. It's the "Time required to cook a raw egg" benchmark V 4.80.70 The software can be downloaded at your local grocery store. Aisle 4 has the foil and check the cooler aisle for you particular egg of choice.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff153/conceptmuscle/egg_cooking.jpg

dam if this works :O

then u just need a fridge and a toilet and i will never have to leave my room again :O

[Crow]

PM Sent. I'm also looking towards the release of the mid-range Fermi GPUs. The GTS 440 looks promising.

[Kuro]

Fermi 480 Tri SLI review Video (http://www.ngohq.com/news/17574-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-review.html)
The new terrorist's preferred weapon of choice against the western world :rofl:

[Darkvine]

5870 2GB Toxic Edition review is out and it closed the gap even close. At it's stock clock (75zmhz over stock 5870) it is with 3 frames of or beats the GTX480 in almost every test even with 8x MSAA.

And still sucks less power LMAO.

[Kuro]

Nvidia and ATI are getting closer and closer to each other

[ballz0r]

5870 2GB Toxic Edition review is out and it closed the gap even close. At it's stock clock (75zmhz over stock 5870) it is with 3 frames of or beats the GTX480 in almost every test even with 8x MSAA.

And still sucks less power LMAO.


I expect nvidia still tears ATI a new one on SLI Vs XFire tho

[LowBrowser]

Absolutely. As I recall (from the HardOCP benchmarks), two GTX480s are about 40% faster then two 5870s, or a 5890. But they cost twice as much, and consume almost three times as much power. The performance is there, but for a price.

[Darkvine]

I expect nvidia still tears ATI a new one on SLI Vs XFire tho

Yeah they do no doubt about that. Still I say fuck it and bring on a 485 that has some damn cooler cores, even under water the Nvida cards would have to be on their own loop or else dump all that heat into your cpu. Would have to have a beefy rad as well or the overclocking headroom would suffer.

That is my main complaint really, yes I can put them on their down loop with a big ass rad BUT I shouldn't have to go through all that hell just to tame those bitches. SAmne with the power needed, I can get a big ass PSU for SLI but fuck I pay my damn bills and I don't need 100+ watts per card un-overclocked on my bill.

[scraps]

I can get a big ass PSU for SLI but fuck I pay my damn bills and I don't need 100+ watts per card un-overclocked on my bill.

Guess you should stick with some 9-series cards then...cause 100 watts for a loaded gpu aint shit dood.....

[mcoffey]

Are we going to start on this pussy ass "too hot, too much power" shit again:shrug:

Go choke on a fucking solar panel or something:rofl:

andyc

[ballz0r]

dam if this works :O

then u just need a fridge and a toilet and i will never have to leave my room again :O

and a chicken

[mcoffey]

and a chicken

:rofl: :jumping2: :rofl:...a classic right there :up:

andyc

[RedRaider]

I mean come on people, you bunch of tree hugging cocklickers...

If you are worried about a hundred extra watts of electricity, just sell your PC(s) and start rolling an Abacus...

[Morae]

Apparently Hitler is leaving the Green team.

[Darkvine]

Guess you should stick with some 9-series cards then...cause 100 watts for a loaded gpu aint shit dood.....

+100 watts more then their ATi counter part PER card in SLI is more then shit when it comes down to it. Even if you have a damn nice 1000w PSU you would likely have to upgrade

And actually I am currently using a 9 series...overclocked in a laptop no less and it still runs cooler even with the one shitty fan that is in the laptop.

[cyriene]

Apparently Hitler is leaving the Green team. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0Bkfnifi4)

Haha, I posted this few days ago, got deleted with the rollback, good shit.

I don't know why everyone is crying about power consumption. I don't give 2 shits about load consumption.

Though, I do commend ATI for their very low idle consumptions, as my cards spend most of their time idle anyway.

[scraps]

+100 watts more then their ATi counter part PER card in SLI is more then shit when it comes down to it. Even if you have a damn nice 1000w PSU you would likely have to upgrade

And actually I am currently using a 9 series...overclocked in a laptop no less and it still runs cooler even with the one shitty fan that is in the laptop.

You're serious? You really don't think a 1000w PSU is up to the task of sli 480gtx? Really?

Man I think your putting to many volts to your chips on your dual 1366 socket board then :rofl:

/Edit: we should get some tree hugger save the rain forest emoticons

[ablatman]

Absolutely. As I recall (from the HardOCP benchmarks), two GTX480s are about 40% faster then two 5870s, or a 5890. But they cost twice as much, and consume almost three times as much power. The performance is there, but for a price.

That, and when you really crank up the AA; Another place the GTX400's were doing very well was when you cranked AA up to 32x.....

Seriously though, I have a hard time swallowing the current Fermi cards we've been shown -- it's like they came to market with this generation's 260, and it's 260 Core 216, without a 275, 280, or 285.....

[Darkvine]

You're serious? You really don't think a 1000w PSU is up to the task of sli 480gtx? Really?

Man I think your putting to many volts to your chips on your dual 1366 socket board then :rofl:

/Edit: we should get some tree hugger save the rain forest emoticons

When your talking about three way SLI underwater and overclocked on top of the CPU and whatever else you are running I would say you would be pushing it enough I would want over 1000w to be save.

Plus head room for future upgrade to either 4 way SLI or whatever power hungry 485/495 comes out. I don't go buy a PSU every time I want an upgrade so if I need roughly 1000w now I want more then that.

[scraps]

Well all I know I cannot wait to see the power consumption between my current setup and these......and for Ballzor to try out that four way sli you're talking bout.........but if you need ~1800 CUDA cores, I think you have an addiction

[Darkvine]

Everyone on this forum has an addiction.

[scraps]

Yeah but I meant one that is problematic.....like you can never be satisfied

[Darkvine]

its for folding I swear....:crack: .....I don't have a problem....:crack:

[slpdLoad]

When your talking about three way SLI underwater and overclocked on top of the CPU and whatever else you are running I would say you would be pushing it enough I would want over 1000w to be save.

Plus head room for future upgrade to either 4 way SLI or whatever power hungry 485/495 comes out. I don't go buy a PSU every time I want an upgrade so if I need roughly 1000w now I want more then that.

Nothing wrong with buying a 1000+ watt supply, it's not going to hurt anything, and the PSU might last a bit longer.

But people way overestimate how much power their rigs need.

I tested my rig with a Kill-A-Watt

920 @ 4.0
EVGA LE
6gb DDR3
3x 4870s all overclocked (not exactly "green" cards)
Everything fully watercooled, plus fan controllers, fans, pumps, etc...

Running a Furmark burn test, I only pull about 700 watts max *from the wall*, so that doesn't take into account the power supply's efficiency (rig pulls less than you pull from the wall).

[ablatman]

Yeah but I meant one that is problematic.....like you can never be satisfied

There is only one answer.....

YouTube- The Rolling Stones - Satisfaction


Seriously though, I want the fab to work out it's issues so that we can get a full-on Fermi card that doesn't have a pussy/budget number of core clusters active, and isn't hugely power inefficient. To be clear, I don't have a problem with a card that uses as much power as the 470/480 do as long as they're not wasting a lot of it because they're so far from spec....

[Darkvine]

There is only one answer.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=214szPQBUYc


Seriously though, I want the fab to work out it's issues so that we can get a full-on Fermi card that doesn't have a pussy/budget number of core clusters active, and isn't hugely power inefficient. To be clear, I don't have a problem with a card that uses as much power as the 470/480 do as long as they're not wasting a lot of it because they're so far from spec....

This is what I have been saying. I don't mind the power need or heat OTHER then when there is a fixable problem AND when there is something that can preform just as well/close with less power and heat at a cheaper price point. (not that much cheaper but enough to take into account)

[Snyxxx]

I tested my rig with a Kill-A-Watt

920 @ 4.0
EVGA LE
6gb DDR3
3x 4870s all overclocked (not exactly "green" cards)
Everything fully watercooled, plus fan controllers, fans, pumps, etc...

Running a Furmark burn test, I only pull about 700 watts max *from the wall*, so that doesn't take into account the power supply's efficiency (rig pulls less than you pull from the wall).

Some good info right there. The 3 GPUs answers a lot of questions I had.

[ablatman]

This is what I have been saying. I don't mind the power need or heat OTHER then when there is a fixable problem AND when there is something that can preform just as well/close with less power and heat at a cheaper price point. (not that much cheaper but enough to take into account)

You and I agree on the first point, but not on the second. I couldn't give two shits what gAyMD has, I'm not buying it unless it's a FUCKLOAD better, and their drivers aren't gay like every gAyTI/gAyMD driver I've ever used...