Want iandh's KillCoil ? Make your own !

[Xilikon]

I you wanted a few KillCoil like the ones made by iandh but didn't have luck getting before it went OOS, here's your perfect method to do some yourself for very cheap :

-You can try to find a place which sell .999 silver wires and ribbons such as http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/fines.html or http://www.pasternakfindings.com/category/silver_setting_strips then order some (A feet can give you about 2-3 coils depending how tight you want the coil to be). However, the stores require a minimum order amount so a better bet is to hit ebay and get some (I got 19" of 1/8" silver strip for 9.50$ off ebay so the deals is definitely there) or check a local jewelry store.
-Upon reception of the silver, you can cut it in 4-6 inches strips (longer = tigher/bigger coil).
-Use a small cylinder like a pencil, a screwdriver shaft or anything which will give you the proper coil diameter for your needs. Remember that the coil should be barely big to fit inside your tubing or your reservoir and big enough to not pass thru fittings.
-Since silver is soft, you can wind the coil yourself with bare fingers. Just hold one end of the wire/strip on the shaft then roll along to make a spring-like shape until you reach the end of the strip/wire.

If you follow this simple method, you can get yourself many "KillCoil" at a fraction of the price you can see at one store.

Here's a illustrated version :

Received the .999 19" strip (1/8" wide) so here's the guide as promised (it's so easy that I made 4 strips in just 2 mins) :

Here's the raw strip as received from the ebay store :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3618120242_93ec0f6b22_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2434/3617300047_8365b28f5d_o.jpg

Here is what you need. I used a uni-ball Vision pencil because the shaft is bigger than the barb inner diameter, which is what we want to avoid the coil being sucked in the loop :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3617299863_dbdc0d5c72_o.jpg

I cut a 4-5" (my testing have shown that this will give a right-sized coil but you can go longer for a bigger coil) piece then I used the vise-grip to clamp the strip a end to the pencil shaft :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/3617299697_01065e0d9d_o.jpg

After clamping, just use your finger to wrap the strip around the shaft. It's pretty soft so it's easy to do that with the bare fingers :
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3618119490_a3c9fb055c_o.jpg

After doing that, you will get this :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3375/3617299073_2446c66792_o.jpg

Here's what I got with a 19" strip. The 3 coils on the top is from 5" parts and the bottom one is 4" to give yourself a idea how big the coil is with various lengths :
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3617299257_d23d015f63_o.jpg

You're done after this so just pitch it in your reservoir or your tubing for some antimicrobial love.

[RedRaider]

Great Post..... :king: :up:

DYI.....FTW

[CrazyJoe]

Great info and links ! :up:

[zlojack]

I'm definitely doing this.

No offense to iandh and his innovation, but his coils are bloody expensive when compared to DIY.

[Sniper]

I paid $15 for my 2 sent from A4G but I didn't mind cause he's cool right.

[bigslappy]

I'm making my own silver anti-vortex plates for My EK-400 reservoirs
gonna have my LoGo BigSlappy engraved on them
Got a whole plate of 99.9 fine silver plate to use .............

1/8" thick ....... Blinge To The Max ...................

[Sniper]

Surface area Slappy you have to suash it out need as much contact as you can get! lol

[bigslappy]

1 & 1/2" wide by 3 inches long enuff surface area for YA ?

[iandh]

I'm definitely doing this.

No offense to iandh and his innovation, but his coils are bloody expensive when compared to DIY.

No offense taken, but when calculated, the coils contain about $1.50-2.00 worth of the grade of silver I use, each bottle costs about 40 cents, and shipment of a batch of 30 coils costs about 30 cents per coil insured priority mail.

It takes me about 1hr to make 30 coils (they are bead blasted, carefully coiled with a special jig I made to make sure the coil tips don't go out of round, then acid washed, rinsed, and packed). I make roughly $30 an hour at my day job for OT, so figure 50 cents each of labor I could be working for overtime at work.

There is about $3.50 in production cost, and I make $2 per coil. Hardly big bucks, and I provide a convenience service.

If I were to price them any cheaper, I just wouldn't bother making them. :)

BTW 80 coils are on the way to Petra's.

edit: Also BTW, he linked to 28 ga sheet strip, I use 22 ga x .100" which is roughly 3 times more silver The most recent batch actually is using 20ga which is about 5 times more silver.

edit 2: Just as a warning, the ebay stuff is typically only 90% pure, it's got all kinds of crap in it you wouldn't want in your loop. That is another reason for the cost of my coils; I only buy the good silver.

[Xilikon]

Thanks iandh, that's roughly the costs I calculated. I wrote that simply as a way to explain how to make some and it's made as a convenience ;)

20ga will be pretty expensive so if you sell them at the same price as currently, it's a good deal :)

[Langer]

Sounds more than fair. I'd be interested in a couple if I were using water.

I didn't think they are overpriced before at all. If for no other reason I'd buy it from you just to give you the credit for the idea - and for actually taking the time to provide a service to our niche.

[RedRaider]

Iandh, it's been repeated on the other forum that the coils were shipping this week, going on 2 months and no coils shipped???

[iandh]

Sounds more than fair. I'd be interested in a couple if I were using water.

I didn't think they are overpriced before at all. If for no other reason I'd buy it from you just to give you the credit for the idea - and for actually taking the time to provide a service to our niche.

Yeah, I don't really get very offended at people calling my stuff overpriced... my ramsinks for instance aren't cheap, but I only make a little bit on them. The production cost is really high.

My most profitable product is the radgrilles, and I offer them at a very fair price compared to the competition. That's a product that works out great for everyone. :)

[RedRaider]

I bought some silver today to make my own coils:king:

3' of 1/8"

3' of 3/16"

Plan on making "LARGE" coils to go inside my EK RES 400's:king:

[Langer]

Do you have a site or a product page featuring all of your offerings- iandh?

[iandh]

Iandh, it's been repeated on the other forum that the coils were shipping this week, going on 2 months and no coils shipped???

I said I was going to ship them like 3 weeks ago, they've been done for about a month. I called my powdercoater about the 480 grilles the day I made that post, and they said only a few more days, so I held off.

A few days later they called me and said they were ready (this was like a few days before x-mas), and so I left work early at 4 and drove over there only to find them closed early. :rolleyes:

This happened one more time the day before new years, and I finally got them the day after. Petra's had said they were shut down til Jan 5, and Alex said he was going to be gone all this weekend so no updates would be made to the site anyways.

Stack on top of that the fact that I had to be out of my old rental and into my new one by Jan 8th, have a bad shoulder, am generally exhausted and split between about 72 people who all want a piece and that = major delay.

:2pts:

[RedRaider]

I'll still be making my own. It has been more than 3 weeks, though.:)

I bought 7 of your coils when Alex got his first shipment.:)

I disagree with your statement regarding the guage of the silver. All that really matters is the purity of the silver (to an extent since this isn't jewelry) and surface area in contact with water. The silver strips I bought today, 6' in total, is way cheaper than the (7) KillCoils I bought from Alex. I'm not complainng about your price, as I think it is very fair, rather stating a fact.:king:

I really like your rad grills and GPU heatsinks, very nice designs:D

[zlojack]

No offense taken, but when calculated, the coils contain about $1.50-2.00 worth of the grade of silver I use, each bottle costs about 40 cents, and shipment of a batch of 30 coils costs about 30 cents per coil insured priority mail.

It takes me about 1hr to make 30 coils (they are bead blasted, carefully coiled with a special jig I made to make sure the coil tips don't go out of round, then acid washed, rinsed, and packed). I make roughly $30 an hour at my day job for OT, so figure 50 cents each of labor I could be working for overtime at work.

There is about $3.50 in production cost, and I make $2 per coil. Hardly big bucks, and I provide a convenience service.

If I were to price them any cheaper, I just wouldn't bother making them. :)

BTW 80 coils are on the way to Petra's.

edit: Also BTW, he linked to 28 ga sheet strip, I use 22 ga x .100" which is roughly 3 times more silver The most recent batch actually is using 20ga which is about 5 times more silver.

edit 2: Just as a warning, the ebay stuff is typically only 90% pure, it's got all kinds of crap in it you wouldn't want in your loop. That is another reason for the cost of my coils; I only buy the good silver.

That's cool, it's not a huge expense either way, so no big deal. The DIY method is cheaper for someone who wants to bother with it, but at the end of the day, yours aren't overpriced for what goes into them. Just expensive vs. doing it yourself and getting probably the same result.

Don't take what I was saying the wrong way :D

[iandh]

I'll still be making my own. It has been more than 3 weeks, though.:)

I bought 7 of your coils when Alex got his first shipment.:)

I disagree with your statement regarding the guage of the silver. All that really matters is the purity of the silver (to an extent since this isn't jewelry) and surface area in contact with water. The silver strips I bought today, 6' in total, is way cheaper than the (7) KillCoils I bought from Alex. I'm not complainng about your price, as I think it is very fair, rather stating a fact.:king:

I really like your rad grills and GPU heatsinks, very nice designs:D

Actually I wasn't necessarily referring to surface area, but potential lifetime and resistance to deformation. I actually have 28, 26, 24 ga on hand but I found them too flexible to reliably hold their shape and retain themselves within the tubing.

As far as 20ga goes, I ordered and paid for 22ga sheet, and recieved 20ga, so their loss and my (and everyone elses) gain. :D


As I said before, I make it my goal to price my products to be very fair for everyone involved, myself, Petra's/Sidewinder, and customers alike. :)

My last post over there about them was Dec. 12, so 3 weeks and 5 days roughly. I was just guessing...

That's cool, it's not a huge expense either way, so no big deal. The DIY method is cheaper for someone who wants to bother with it, but at the end of the day, yours aren't overpriced for what goes into them. Just expensive vs. doing it yourself and getting probably the same result.

Don't take what I was saying the wrong way :D

There is only one coil really required for an average loop as far as I've seen, so one would be very hard pressed to beat the price DIY for a single, or for even two or three coils... as the quantity grows, then so does the benefit of doing these yourself. :)

I am doing these more as a "cool product", and not a moneymaker, so if anyone wants a large quantity for themselves, then I absolutely encourage DIY.



edit: One more last thing... nothing I make is that mystical or sacred, it is all pretty simple stuff. People buy my products for the same reason I buy an Apogee GT for $40 when I have a fully stocked CNC machine shop at my disposal. ;)

[Ricey]

Silver bullion is cheaper. A one oz bar costs just $19. Its even Naekuh seems to have enjoyed my concept. A ten oz. bar has more surface area than any of that coil crap, and its 99.9997% guaranteed pure.

[iandh]

Silver bullion is cheaper. A one oz bar costs just $19. Its even Naekuh seems to have enjoyed my concept, and called it his. A ten oz. bar has more surface area than any of that coil crap, and its 99.9997% guaranteed pure.


Can you suggest how to install silver bullion into a t-line based system?

[Ricey]

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

[Xilikon]

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

Even with a reservoir, how can you insert them in either a MCRES or a XSPC Reservoir top ? The only reservoir which can get this is the EK reservoirs :fightpoke:

[just a noob]

i don't think silver is that hard, you might be able to cut it with a new razor blade

[Eternalightwith]

Maybe someone should design a new pump top with a proprietary pocket to hold your 99.9% silver bar. ;)

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

[iandh]

At $20 an ounce, I would imagine that you could afford a reservoir, or a larger case that would fit a reservoir, or a couple of them.

Not everyone likes reservoirs, myself being one of them. Not everyone likes large cases, myself being one of them. :)

The only reason I like reservoirs is for bleeding purposes, but that still does not convince me to use them in the majority of my loops. I find it to be a convenient but in the end unnecessary component.

One of the primary reasons I designed the coils this way was so that it would be easily accessible to those with t-line systems.

[Gazmtk]

just an Idea to throw a spanner in the think tank :rolleyes:
what if you got 13mm diameter 925 Sterling silver Round tube and replaced a small section of you loop with it, like your T-Line to fill port? only a small section tho, or the bit of tubing thats in some Res's to help bleed the air out? just some idea ;)
would that work, or is 925 sterling no good?

[Baleful]

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think the 925 could work, just not as well as the .999 silver. The more pure Silver is, the better it's antimicrobial properties work. Besides, there isn't that much price difference between 925 and 999, just get the 999 to be on the safe side.

[iandh]

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think the 925 could work, just not as well as the .999 silver. The more pure Silver is, the better it's antimicrobial properties work. Besides, there isn't that much price difference between 925 and 999, just get the 999 to be on the safe side.

I think it would great actually; I was more worried about interactions with other metals in your loop...

[zlojack]

Nice work!

[Sniper]

Awesome Xil!

These are the ones I got from A4G abit ago there just not as nice as your flat ones though. I might try & get someone to order me in some of that for me as I don't do Ebay.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3628/3618117754_b648be550c_o.jpg

[Baleful]

I got my silver in as well. I ordered 2' of 3/16 from ccsilver (http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/fines.html) and it took 2 days to get here.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/3617298847_40b3745229_o.jpg


At first I tryed to use a clear tube that contained solder to wrap the coils, but that was to large.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3617298671_f6187b5007_o.jpg


I found that a tube of MX-2 made for the best coils. BTW, I use 1/2ID - 3/4OD tubing. If you use smaller ID tubing, something like a large screwdriver should work just fine.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3636/3617298523_202c26941a_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3391/3618118538_3a238fea1b_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3628/3618118164_8ac0006ee0_o.jpg


Also, I'll be ordering alot more if this stuff works. I'm going to make kill coils for the EK res.'s, it'll pretty much be one big coil that wraps around the inside of the res. It takes about 2' to make one coil for an EK 250.

[jtf2]

how workable-malleable is the strip,is it easily straightened out etc?

[Xilikon]

how workable-malleable is the strip,is it easily straightened out etc?

It's malleable enough to make coils with only your bare hands ;)

[Baleful]

Mine is 28 gauge, so it's very soft and easy to bend. At first I was worried about the turbulance in the loop dis-forming the coils, but I don't think it will be an issue.

For those of you with Iwaki's, this may be to thin for you to use. Honestly I would definately feel better it were thicker, but for those of you with DDC's and D5's I don't think it will be an issue.

[Baleful]

:coke::p

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt121/Liquid_Bale/CIMG1309.jpg

[jtf2]

patiently waiting on the sliver strip from ebay.
instead of in the tubing,i may make 1 bigger piece the diameter of the ek res,and see how that looks

[Baleful]

patiently waiting on the sliver strip from ebay.
instead of in the tubing,i may make 1 bigger piece the diameter of the ek res,and see how that looks


That's exactly what I want to do. I'm waiting to see how this first batch does though, make sure it really does prevent any algae growth.

[Baleful]

Well I'm happy to report back that it's been a little over a month since I installed the coils in my loops, and have no algae. I've also noticed that the tubing isn't clouding up nearly as much as it did when I used PTNuke. I'm very happy with the results so far.

[Snyxxx]

Well I'm happy to report back that it's been a little over a month since I installed the coils in my loops, and have no algae. I've also noticed that the tubing isn't clouding up nearly as much as it did when I used PTNuke. I'm very happy with the results so far.

Nice results. Thanks for the follow-up.

[Baleful]

I'll TRY and get some pics tonight, but it might have to wait till this weekend.

[procpuarie]

i use a sliver earring (much more sa then the coil) and i have been algae and clouding free for over 3 moths. i just placed it in the res (it is a big earring :p.)

edit: i use no other chemicals other then food color (glycol) in my loop.

[ILikeCosmosS]

can i use these kill coils or iandh's with feser coolant in the loop?

and all i have to make sure is that the coil will not pass threw the compression fitting?

Cosmos

[RedRaider]

You'll be fine using Feser coolant with silver coils...:up:

[FrostByte]

this will give me something to do with the 20 .999 Silver coins i have sitting on my shelf, they are just bouillon coins and are only worth the silver their made of.

[RedRaider]

PTNuke = :turd:

[Baleful]

These little silver coils are the best thing I've invested in so far.

A lot of people say that PTNuke is the way to go, but after 1 month with PTNuke, the tubing would cloud horribly. I know this is plasticizer leach, but I feel that the PTNuke quickened the process.

Right now, the tubes are barely cloudy, and there is 0 algae, so far.

Also, when using PTNuke, I would noticed a strange thin film covering everything from the tubes, blocks, to res. It wasn't algae, just a slick clear, odorless substance, almost like clear snot.

Oh, btw, when I used PTNuke, it was only 2-3 drops per loop, I didn't go overboard.

[ML Infamous]

With the killcoils or silver in a loop, all you have to run is just distilled water and the silver.

Seems like a better idea than putting any time of "chemical" into your loop /shrug

[BDW88]

I've been using Killcoils+distilled in my 2 loops for 4months already, no algae whatsoever.:up:

[Timlander]

Nice, i may have to try this in the future. But I just love Petra's, they are so funny on some of their item descriptions:

Instructions & Ingredients:

Use: Place coil in a section of tubing or in a reservoir.
Active Ingredient: 99.9% pure silver

Warning: This product contains...uh...Silver!

• If ingested, you may choke... so just don't do that.

• If contact with skin occurs, smile... you're holding silver!

• AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES! If contact with eyes occurs... wait, why are you shoving metal coils into your eyes?

[Worthy]

Nice, i may have to try this in the future. But I just love Petra's, they are so funny on some of their item descriptions:

Instructions & Ingredients:

Use: Place coil in a section of tubing or in a reservoir.
Active Ingredient: 99.9% pure silver

Warning: This product contains...uh...Silver!

• If ingested, you may choke... so just don't do that.

• If contact with skin occurs, smile... you're holding silver!

• AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES! If contact with eyes occurs... wait, why are you shoving metal coils into your eyes?

I like the little notes I get with each order. Opening a box is like a fortune cookie. lol

Great shop!

[magoo25]

How long will the silver loops be effective????

I usually change coolant and clean things about every 6 months.

[Worthy]

How long will the silver loops be effective????

I usually change coolant and clean things about every 6 months.

As long as it's silver it's good.;)

[magoo25]

As long as it's silver it's good.;)

So black or green = bad???? (j/k)

Thanks for the information sir.:D

[Worthy]

So black or green = bad???? (j/k)

Thanks for the information sir.:D

I am unsure if the silver will tarnish over time, but if it did, I would give it a cleaning and put it back in service. That's about all the maintenance you'd probably need. My thinking is that if the silver oxidized too much it might not work as well. But thats a guess not a sure fact.

[Baleful]

I am unsure if the silver will tarnish over time, but if it did, I would give it a cleaning and put it back in service. That's about all the maintenance you'd probably need. My thinking is that if the silver oxidized too much it might not work as well. But thats a guess not a sure fact.

As long as you aren't constantly taking your loop down, then you have nothing to worry about. If the silver stays in the loop and isn't constantly exposed to the open air, it'll be fine. The loop I have up and running now, is just a few months shy of running for a full year with 0 maint.

Some of the tubing has started to look like shit again, but there is 0 algae and 0 "gunk" buildup in the res (which I used to get with PTnuke).

[trfnj74]

Same here I just changed out my fucking gray tygon thats about 9 months old with no issues what so ever....

[Worthy]

so far my red primo has stayed looking great, and I don't use silver. I use iodine.
So far the iodine seems to work pretty good.

[frieten]

what cool you can use iodine? i might do that cause im having a bloody pain in the ass time finding silver.

does the iodine stain though?

[Worthy]

what cool you can use iodine? i might do that cause im having a bloody pain in the ass time finding silver.

does the iodine stain though?

Not that I see. I use a couple drops of the concentrated lugol's iodine solution per liter of water. No problems so far and this is what I've done practically the whole time this thing has been running. Everything stays clean so far.

[rubidium]

Iodine is a very powerful disinfectant that should indeed prevent life from flourishing in the cooling loop, and Worthy is right by limiting the amount added to just a drop or two. With that amount staining is really not an issue.

[iandh]

edit: I was going to gripe that this thread suggesting people not buy my coils and make their own had now turned into a sticky, but I changed my mind. I'm much happier with my name plastered at the top of the Watercooling section for all to see :D

[RedRaider]

This thread has nothing to do with anything negative towards you, rather your name is associated with Kill Coils and they cost a bit too much. Grant it, both you and Alex deserve to make a fair profit, but for something as simple to make as these are, let people save money and make their own:up:

glad you have finally come to the realization that this is not such a bad place. We just don't kiss ass here or recommend that people buy bullshit products from bullshit vendors.

I am NOT saying that you and Alex are bullshit, rather the characters like FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU, Hanks Fuck Shop and Marks Massacist Shop...:)

I for one bought five of your Kill Coils from Petra, the first batch, but I won't buy them again. I bought 6' of silver flat bar from C&C Silver to make mondo Kill Coils for my EK Reservoirs.

I suggest you stick to what made a name for yourself, custom "one-off" machined parts...:2up:

I do hope you now understand the meaning of this thread...

[iandh]

This thread has nothing to do with anything negative towards you, rather your name is associated with Kill Coils and they cost a bit too much. Grant it, both you and Alex deserve to make a fair profit, but for something as simple to make as these are, let people save money and make their own:up:

glad you have finally come to the realization that this is not such a bad place. We just don't kiss ass here or recommend that people buy bullshit products from bullshit vendors.

I am NOT saying that you and Alex are bullshit, rather the characters like FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU, Hanks Fuck Shop and Marks Massacist Shop...:)

I for one bought five of your Kill Coils from Petra, the first batch, but I won't buy them again. I bought 6' of silver flat bar from C&C Silver to make mondo Kill Coils for my EK Reservoirs.

I suggest you stick to what made a name for yourself, custom "one-off" machined parts...:2up:

I do hope you now understand the meaning of this thread...

It's cool man, that's why I edited out the gripe portion of my post. If I said earlier in the thread that I didn't care and then bitch about it now, that would make me a hypocrite.

Out of all of the coils I've sold so far, I 've made enough to buy myself an XFX 4890 and just recently bought a Corsiar 750HX PSU with the money from my most recent order. I'm not making big bucks on these things, and as I said before if I made any less on them I just wouldn't bother because I could earn more money doing other shit like working overtime. It takes me a total of about 4 hours to fill an order of these, from ordering, to driving to the shop, making them, deburring/rounding the cut edges, acid washing, neutralizing, sterilizing in a isopropanol vapor bath, and packing them with sterile gloves so I don't introduce shit into people's loops. If I were to cut the profit (see below) on these I make in half, I would literally be making less hourly than I do at my normal job.

FYI I make a little over $2 on each coil, but after Uncle Sam gets his share (I pay ALL of my taxes on income from my products) I make more like $1.40 a coil. I won't divulge what I sell them to Petra's for or what they make on them because that just isn't kosher. They choose to set them at a market price where they are profitable yet still move well.

[Baleful]

It's cool man, that's why I edited out the gripe portion of my post. If I said earlier in the thread that I didn't care and then bitch about it now, that would make me a hypocrite.

Out of all of the coils I've sold so far, I 've made enough to buy myself an XFX 4890 and just recently bought a Corsiar 750HX PSU with the money from my most recent order. I'm not making big bucks on these things, and as I said before if I made any less on them I just wouldn't bother because I could earn more money doing other shit like working overtime. It takes me a total of about 4 hours to fill an order of these, from ordering, to driving to the shop, making them, deburring/rounding the cut edges, acid washing, neutralizing, sterilizing in a isopropanol vapor bath, and packing them with sterile gloves so I don't introduce shit into people's loops. If I were to cut the profit (see below) on these I make in half, I would literally be making less hourly than I do at my normal job.

FYI I make a little over $2 on each coil, but after Uncle Sam gets his share (I pay ALL of my taxes on income from my products) I make more like $1.40 a coil. I won't divulge what I sell them to Petra's for or what they make on them because that just isn't kosher. They choose to set them at a market price where they are profitable yet still move well.


Props to you for paying taxes on this shit and not being a shady fucker :up:

Honestly, with the little margin you see on these things, I wouldn't even bother with it. Though, I guess it adds up over time.

As Red said, this isn't here to take away from anything you're doing, rather to educate the masses that would rather do something themselves.

[iandh]

Props to you for paying taxes on this shit and not being a shady fucker :up:

Honestly, with the little margin you see on these things, I wouldn't even bother with it. Though, I guess it adds up over time.

As Red said, this isn't here to take away from anything you're doing, rather to educate the masses that would rather do something themselves.

I can't say that I always agree with where my tax dollars go, but OTOH two wrongs don't make a right. You can bet ur :moon: that I sign off every fucking last penny of expense that I legally can though :D

Trust me, I'm all about DIY, even when it directly interferes with my sales. Hobby & fun comes first for me, then business. I already have a day job to stress over... I don't need that shit in my fun time. Hell, DIY is the reason I got into selling all of my crap in the first place.

Not to mention which, as I said in another thread... my silver coils were already beaten to market by a couple thousand years. What the fuck right do I have to get upset over people making their own silver widgets to stick in their loops?

[Kuri]

anyone selling any cause im lazy

[Septim]

kuri, go to Red's house and acquire some... i understand he has some DIY leftovers unused still... hehehe...

[magoo25]

Here:
http://www.petrastechshop.com/sikibyia.html

[Kuri]

i plan on dumping it in my res, how many do you think i need?

[Septim]

2 or 3, am sure Red has spares, hehehe...

[Worthy]

Iodine is a very powerful disinfectant that should indeed prevent life from flourishing in the cooling loop, and Worthy is right by limiting the amount added to just a drop or two. With that amount staining is really not an issue.

It really works good.

[hashiee]

Good idea , I had some jewelers silver solder, 75% silver the rest of it is made of copper and zinc, I remember zinc plates where used on boats for electrolysis ...lol not sure if its the same kind but oh well I coiled it up on a pencil and put in my reservoir and see what happens........

[Snyxxx]

Good idea , I had some jewelers silver solder, 75% silver the rest of it is made of copper and zinc, I remember zinc plates where used on boats for electrolysis ...lol not sure if its the same kind but oh well I coiled it up on a pencil and put in my reservoir and see what happens........

I think it needs to be of higher grade than 75% to work correctly.

[hashiee]

Silver is silver...... goes back to how much 1'' , 1ft , 1 oz or what percent ratio to total fluid ???

[Snyxxx]

edit 2: Just as a warning, the ebay stuff is typically only 90% pure, it's got all kinds of crap in it you wouldn't want in your loop. That is another reason for the cost of my coils; I only buy the good silver.

Silver is silver...... goes back to how much 1'' , 1ft , 1 oz or what percent ratio to total fluid ???

OK, go for it. Do not come back moaning if something in your loop gets corroded from the OTHER 25% of shit that may react with copper.

[hashiee]

What are your radiators made of..... lol, maybe you shoud inspect them, and read about what most blocks are made of. And most manufactured metals contain zinc, like brass, nickel, copper and silver. so try reading a little more

[LowBrowser]

We're not so much worried about metals such as zinc (although it could create minimal problems) so much as a witch hunt of sorts against aluminium. Aluminium could most definitely be a part of that 10% or so.
Edit: I mean if it's jeweller's silver with copper and zinc, you should be ok. But there are some shadier people on eBay, so why risk it? And silver is not silver, just like if you bought a weight of pure gold, and you got 25% copper in that. You sure as hell wouldn't be happy. But for our purposes I guess you're right. As long as the impurities aren't particularly reactive.

[Snyxxx]

so try reading a little more

Watch your attitude asshole. I was trying to help.

[Marne]

hey dude trust me fucking with the vets of the site is NOT a good idea. take the knowledge you gain from here and pass it along. biting the hand that feeds you isnt advised. that hand can easily turn into a chuck norris fist ina heartbeat

[Baleful]

What are your radiators made of..... lol, maybe you shoud inspect them, and read about what most blocks are made of. And most manufactured metals contain zinc, like brass, nickel, copper and silver. so try reading a little more

You need to lose the attitude and try to educate yourself a little more before you come on a forum and start talking bullshit.

Do you know how the silver works inside a watercooling loop? No, silver is not "just" silver, there are varying degree's of quality with silver. The high end 99.99% is going to work the best for our application because it contains the highest amount of silver.

When you drop a coil, or ingot of silver into your res, the silver ion's break apart from the silver and enter the loop, killing off and preventing algae from growing. The higher % of silver coil/ingot you have, the safer you are.

If you want to put some bullshit 75% silver in your loop go right ahead, but as other's have said, how are you completely sure that the rest of that 25% isn't some bullshit? You don't know, you're just basing it off of what you think.

[iandh]

It doesn't have to do with weight, it has to do with surface area, that is why the flat wire is superior to round... more suface area/weight ratio, therefore more bang/buck.

The action of the silver is all based on probability. There's a certain chance that a silver ion will be swept off by the coolant in your loop, and there's a certain chance it won't. There's a certain chance that a nasty will hit a free-floating ion and die. There's a certain chance the nasty will collide directly with the coil and sweep off an ion and die instantly.

When you add all those things up it makes for the total effectiveness. When you add more silver, those probabilities go up... when you add more total coolant volume they go down. When you add time, they go up. When you add less pure forms of silver, they go down.

The problem with alloys is that the higher the content of metals other than silver, the lower the chance that whatever happens to get knocked off is going to be a silver molecule or ion. It more likely will be an atomic cluster of the alloy. You can add more alloy to increase the probability of biocidal action, but that also increases the probability of some crap in the alloy not playing nice with the metals in your loop.

When dealing with pure silver, chances are very high that you are only going to get silver ions or silver molecules. Sometimes it forms compounds with other things in your loop. With an alloy, it may form yet other compounds. Silver and copper play nice with each other corrosion wise, so if you have silver only, you're pretty much safe. It's hard to say what will happen if you don't. Maybe nothing.

[RedRaider]

hashiee...

You can leave your attitude at the door or get the fuck out...

[iandh]

:)


I'd like to add, one of the reasons for alloying metals is to increase stability/reduce reactivity (aka tarnishing, etc.). Silver in its pure form isn't particularly stable as far as reactivity, which is one of the reasons I acid strip the coils and pack them with gloves. That isn't really necessary, but it makes sure that when the coil goes in the loop, it has a nice clean reactive surface for your coolant to play with.

It isn't really an accurate analogy, but as soon as silver is alloyed, some of it becomes "trapped", in fact a greater amount than what the alloy ratio is. That is why adding tiny amounts of other compounds/elements to alloys can so drastically change the properties of the alloy as a whole. When going from all different types of tool steels and stainless steels, only somewhere from 10-25% of the alloy is anything but iron, but their properties change DRASTICALLY.

For instance, 18-8 Stainless steel (304) is only about 25% chromium and nickel, but becomes amazingy corrosion resistant even though it is made primarily of iron, which reacts easily. The small amount of alloyed metals stabilize the entire system. This same thing could happen with a silver alloy, causing the whole to become essentially ineffective.

[TheBlueChanell]

Not to thread jack but I felt it was a good time to ask this so If I'm using distilled water and kill coils in my loop, is something like PT Nuke necessary?

[Snyxxx]

Not to thread jack but I felt it was a good time to ask this so If I'm using distilled water and kill coils in my loop, is something like PT Nuke necessary?
I would say no. I use exactly what you propose.

[Baleful]

No. When you use Silver in your loops, no other Biocides are needed. I ran 3 loops with my coils for over a year without ever flushing/cleaning the loop and I never had a problem with algae. I did however, have a problem with the silver breaking down in the water to the point where all my water had a metallic hue to it....

I have pictures of the water at work, I'll update with pics when I get back to work next week.

My problem could have been fixed by doing the usual maintenance like flushing/adding new water, but I just didn't have the time to do so.

[scottc19]

No. When you use Silver in your loops, no other Biocides are needed. I ran 3 loops with my coils for over a year without ever flushing/cleaning the loop and I never had a problem with algae. I did however, have a problem with the silver breaking down in the water to the point where all my water had a metallic hue to it....

I have pictures of the water at work, I'll update with pics when I get back to work next week.

My problem could have been fixed by doing the usual maintenance like flushing/adding new water, but I just didn't have the time to do so.
Thats interesting, I am awaiting your pictures. Metallic water sounds kinda cool actually.... Is it foggy?

[Starlite KNight]

This metallic water has piqued my interest as well.

As I was reading this I had this thought: bamboo is antimicrobial so could I stick some of that in a loop? Maybe even use hollow bamboo as tubing but I don't think that would retain water very well. I know bamboo's been used in textiles as well as mountain bike frames, etc. Just a thought.

[BigMyke]

Instead of strips - I'm thinking about coiling up 20 gauge of about 1.5 feet of .999 fine silver in my reservoir. Smart idea. Would this be enough silver?

[jacobroufa]

That should work Myke. I've seen other people use BPs TrueSilver line of fittings in place of any other silver as well, but using 6+ of them... The reason for the coil, as I understand it, is to maximize surface area of the silver contacting water. If you have sufficient surface area, you should be fine. DIY FTW!

[Snyxxx]

That should work Myke. I've seen other people use BPs TrueSilver line of fittings in place of any other silver as well, but using 6+ of them... The reason for the coil, as I understand it, is to maximize surface area of the silver contacting water. If you have sufficient surface area, you should be fine. DIY FTW!

Yes, I think the surface area per unit length (in comparison to volume/weight) of a rectangle is better than a circle. Basically, a rectangle shape used in the coil has more surface area and cheaper.

However, 1.5 feet is quite a bit and will most likely have more surface area than the standard coil.

[festeringalgae]

I am trying to move away from pre-mixed coolant, but, where the HELL can you get 99.99% silver in Canada without paying disgusting shipping charges? I wanted to buy a coil from Petra's for hassle free but it doesn't seem like they sell it any more. I e-mailed them about purchasing one but they haven't replied.

[RedRaider]

I am trying to move away from pre-mixed coolant, but, where the HELL can you get 99.99% silver in Canada without paying disgusting shipping charges? I wanted to buy a coil from Petra's for hassle free but it doesn't seem like they sell it any more. I e-mailed them about purchasing one but they haven't replied.


Gary unfortunately doesn't update/maintain the Petras site much anymore. He is the owner/operator of SidewinderComputers as well.

Gary has KillCoils in stock at Sidewinders...

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sikibyia.html

[CrazyJoe]

Gary unfortunately doesn't update/maintain the Petras site much anymore.

If Gary is able, or if Alex can do it, a single page at PTS.com explaining that all sales are now forwarded to Sidewinders ... with a redirect countdown should do the trick.

[RedRaider]

Alex doesn't have shit all to do with PTS. He gave it up when he sold out to Gary.

[CrazyJoe]

Alex doesn't have shit all to do with PTS. He gave it up when he sold out to Gary.

Ah, I see. Whoever has administrative control of the pts.com site should be able to do it then.

[festeringalgae]

Thanks for the info. I will be grabbing one as soon as possible.

I e-mailed him about purchasing one and a shipping quote and he replied almost instantly, but when inquiring how to even buy one he never got back to me. Could have been resolved pretty quickly.

I tried my hardest to to just find some 99.99% silver flat wire but the shipping costs are outrageous. The only decent place I could even find what I needed was eBay, and I am not sure how good their silver actually is.

So, hassle free from Sidewinders will have to be the way to go.

[festeringalgae]

What's up with the Sidewinders guy?

I e-mailed him over Petra's Sales awhile ago for a shipping quote and he told me I could get a KillCoil using First Mail for $2.50 to $3.00 USD to Canada instead of the ridiculous price of $21 shipping using pretty much all the other options. The thing is, the online checkout won't let me pick First Mail and Gary hasn't responded to my e-mail that was almost a week ago.

What gives? I just want a KillCoil. :confused:

[goldry]

Xilikon, Thanks for the information.