EK Supreme Mounting Orientation with Core i7 - My temps are horrible!

[zlojack]

I know this debate was hashed out in a thread in another forum, but with i7, the mounting orientation of the CPU has changed. I'm wondering if the mounting orientation of the EK Supreme should be revisited.

I found my temps on the Supreme aren't great so far on my i7.

I'm going to try reseating the block and checking the TIM first. Rotating it would be a more involved process with the way my loop is set up, so I'd prefer to try reseating first.

This is how it's mounted for me right now:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/zlojack/DSC02355.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/zlojack/DSC02385.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/zlojack/DSC02361.jpg

[bigslappy]

EK supreme are very Variable some get Gold some get Crap .... mines Gold but i'm still selling it ...
seem the inject plates are not consitantly made well ...
EK is losing their touch IMO ........

[Xilikon]

EK supreme are very Variable some get Gold some get Crap .... mines Gold but i'm sill selling it ...

Replaced by a dog turd instead ?

[zlojack]

Not sure...I'm guessing it's my mounting because I'm getting crazy high 70s temps at 1.41v under Prime95 at 4GHz on my i7 920.

The block is alone in the loop with a PA120.2 and an MCP 655 at level 5. I guess I'll have to keep trying, otherwise I might have to try the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU which has been giving NaeKuh such good results.

[bigslappy]

HeatKiller Bitch !! FTW

[zlojack]

HeatKiller Bitch !! FTW
You think?

Better than the Supreme or the KL-350 for i7?

I guess we'll wait and see.

[Baleful]

I know you probably don't want to do this, but the best way: Try different rotations, with each rotation try atleast 3 mounts, record the temps, see which one was the best then use that. This would be pretty time consuming though... several hours... if not a full day or two. But atleast you would know for sure.

[zlojack]

I know you probably don't want to do this, but the best way: Try different rotations, with each rotation try atleast 3 mounts, record the temps, see which one was the best then use that. This would be pretty time consuming though... several hours... if not a full day or two. But atleast you would know for sure.
Blah, I know...:(

It's a huge PITA to do the rotations, because of the way my tubing is set up. And then draining and filling the loop :eek:

I guess I know what I'm doing this week...

First I'll do the current orientation with a few remounts. I hope my tubing runs have enough leeway to switch the intake/outlet barbs without redoing the tubing :D

[Baleful]

Shit man, to make things easy on you, drain the loop and replace the tubing you have now with some longer tubing. That way you won't have to worry about the current tubing having enough leeway.

[zlojack]

Shit man, to make things easy on you, drain the loop and replace the tubing you have now with some longer tubing. That way you won't have to worry about the current tubing having enough leeway.

Yeah...I could do that until I find the right orientation, then finalize the tubing then.

[Baleful]

Yeah...I could do that until I find the right orientation, then finalize the tubing then.

Exactly. :up:

[RedRaider]

I for one, am very skeptical of Naekuh's 180* turn regarding the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 CPU block.

Kind of funny how about a month goes by, then magically he figures out his original test was flawed?? :hmm:

Don't give up on the EK SUPREME just yet. You need to try multiple mounts, rotating it 90* per mount to find the correct orientation.

As for the HeatKiller v3, myself and others will be ordering it soon. Until I test it myself and compare my test results to others, I for one, have no basis to claim how it will/does preform.

The EK SUPREME still REIGNS SUPREME, until a reputable test proves otherwise...:fact:

[zlojack]

True enough, Red...true enough.

I guess it's time for some mounting and testing fun..

[[Koolance] Dean]

Well, I could show you my correspondences with Naekuh. Basically he sent me a PM saying he thought we would do well by bowing the base. I told him it was bowed, he remounted with more pressure and got better temps. As far as I know he hasn't finished testing the supreme though.. I'd like to see a good head to head comparison 350 vs GTZ and Supreme :D

[RedRaider]

Dean;10686']Well, I could show you my correspondences with Naekuh. Basically he sent me a PM saying he thought we would do well by bowing the base. I told him it was bowed, he remounted with more pressure and got better temps. As far as I know he hasn't finished testing the supreme though.. I'd like to see a good head to head comparison 350 vs GTZ and Supreme :D

The results are tainted, IMO.

You come back a month later and say, oh noe, I just don't know...:hmm:

Also, how in the HELL do you get even core temps ??? Not happening.

Also Dean, Naekuh is not allowed to post screenshots here, due to the fact it violates RULE #2 of this site.

[RedRaider]

Zlojack, your mounting orientation is typical for 775, try rotating so that inlet is 90* to right and the left of your current orientation.

Remember the EK SUPREME has a great bow in it, mounting pressure is key.

[[Koolance] Dean]

The results are tainted, IMO.

You come back a month later and say, oh noe, I just don't know...:hmm:

Also, how in the HELL do you get even core temps ??? Not happening.

Also Dean, Naekuh is not allowed to post screenshots here, due to the fact it violates RULE #2 of this site.

Hmm... well the information (http://www.FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU.com/support/files/FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU_cpu-350_optimization.pdf) has been available since release... posted on our forums here (http://forums.FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=180#p1022) and "some other forum"... fairly sure bowing was brought up in several other places prior to release as well.

But I definitely would love to see retail procs tested with these blocks :).. no one yet has done so.

[RedRaider]

Dean;10716']Hmm... well the information (http://www.FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU.com/support/files/FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU_cpu-350_optimization.pdf) has been available since release... posted on our forums here (http://forums.FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=180#p1022) and "some other forum"... fairly sure bowing was brought up in several other places prior to release as well.

But I definitely would love to see retail procs tested with these blocks :).. no one yet has done so.

Again, if this information was available, then why was Naekuh in the dark until a week ago? If FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU provided Naekuh a block to test (free of charge), how was it this info was not passed along? Why did it take approx. 3 weeks, after the intial posting of his results, to come to the conclusion his first test was botched? I first heard that the EK Supreme beat the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 by 2*-3*C, now I hear the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 beats the EK Supreme by @ 2*C ? :hmm:

Dean, the rules here are not nearly as lengthy and complex as other forums, rather the are very clear and concise. We at
RedRaider Technology do not care if "other" forums test with "other than retail CPU's", they will not be mentioned or referenced here. If tests are preformed with non-retail CPU's, then in the opinion of the Management Team at RedRaider Technology the tests are moot and will have no bearing here.

RedRaider Technology has assembled a testing group, that is free from any outside influences. Our first testing will be focused on pressure drops and flow rates regarding CPU/Chipset/GPU blocks/Radiators/DDC Tops/D5 Tops/RD-30. It will also focus on High flow/pressure vs. Low flow/pressure.

The first round of CPU Block testing will include the EK Supreme, HeatKiller v3, Aqua-Computer Cuplex DI, Aqua-Computer Cuplex HD, FuZion v1/v2 (FitsSeries3 Tops) using 775 and 1366 CPU's. I would like to include the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 at some point possibly. Our testing team is currently in the process of procuring testing monitoring equipment, which will be identical for all testers. If we decide to test it, that would mean buying multiple units at $80/each (+ shipping), therefore it might just have to wait.

[[Koolance] Dean]

Again, if this information was available, then why was Naekuh in the dark until a week ago? If FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU provided Naekuh a block to test (free of charge), how was it this info was not passed along? Why did it take approx. 3 weeks, after the intial posting of his results, to come to the conclusion his first test was botched? I first heard that the EK Supreme beat the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 by 2*-3*C, now I hear the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 beats the EK Supreme by @ 2*C ? :hmm:

Dean, the rules here are not nearly as lengthy and complex as other forums, rather the are very clear and concise. We at
RedRaider Technology do not care if "other" forums test with "other than retail CPU's", they will not be mentioned or referenced here. If tests are preformed with non-retail CPU's, then in the opinion of the Management Team at RedRaider Technology the tests are moot and will have no bearing here.

RedRaider Technology has assembled a testing group, that is free from any outside influences. Our first testing will be focused on pressure drops in CPU/Chipset/GPU blocks/Radiators/DDC Tops/D5 Tops/RD-30. It will also focus on High flow/pressure vs. Low flow/pressure.

The first round of CPU Block testing will include the EK Supreme, HeatKiller v3, Aqua-Computer Cuplex DI, Aqua-Computer Cuplex HD, FuZion v1/v2 (FitsSeries3 Tops) using 775 and 1366 CPU's. I would like to include the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 at some point possibly. Our testing team is currently in the process of procuring testing monitoring equipment, which will be identical for all testers. If we decide to test it, that would mean buying multiple units at $80/each (+ shipping), therefore it might just have to wait.

It was made available to him, you'll notice a majority of the information in the PDF is fairly elementary so much of it is easy to skim over. It was a simple mistake, of course mistakes cause understandable doubt, but that is the nature of tests. The truth will come to light after more testing, and everyone benefits from that. :)

I'm glad such a rigorous methodology will be enforced by the testing group here. It will be sure to produce very concrete results :D

[RedRaider]

I deal with mistakes in the real world daily, I continuously remind customers that Jesus himself is not employed by our company to make our asphalt. Therefore human/mechanical mistakes will occur. That still doesn't hide the fact mistakes are made and credibility is questioned.

In the testing mentioned no methodology was stated, no ambients were given for each mount, no deltas between ambient and recorded temps are available.... On and on and on... CPU used is bugged from the start, so in our opinion the entire test is a waste of time. I for one would hope that manufacturers would more closely scrutinize who performs their testing, the methodology used, reporting of testing environent and what the tester uses to test the block with. A bugged product doesn't seem to me to be acceptable to be using and publishing results with?

I appreciate the fact you have expressed your acceptance of our soon to be active Testing Group. We will strive for consistency, by verifying each members results with the other members. We hope to set the bar for others to aspire to.

[NAekuh]

dude let me correct myself...

Okey, i thought the block wasnt bowed.

Gillbot and Skinnee also were shocked when i said the block was bowed.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU HAS NEVER MADE A BOWED BLOCK until now. So circle diameter, i was thinkn HOW THE HELL could you bow this.

Also the plastic cover that went over the IHS was perfect. No bubble like any other bowed blocks.

Its my fault i didnt read the first page, i went straight to installation because i got people nagging me for results.

My supreme round 2 test is on hold until i can get a HVAC person to fix my thermostat which should be this weekend.
It died right after i did 1 mount on the supreme. (dont think it will matter because you say i have skewed results)

Joel if you doubt my test, why dont you try the block. I'll even send you a loaner for YOU to test.

But you'll get the same results as i will.

And also WHEN have you known me to skew results?

R3 why you dissing me to begin with?

My have you grown, it wasnt long ago when you used to ask me for first hand advice.

[RedRaider]

dude let me correct myself...

Okey, i thought the block wasnt bowed.

Gillbot and Skinnee also were shocked when i said the block was bowed.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU HAS NEVER MADE A BOWED BLOCK until now. So circle diameter, i was thinkn HOW THE HELL could you bow this.

Also the plastic cover that went over the IHS was perfect. No bubble like any other bowed blocks.

Its my fault i didnt read the first page, i went straight to installation because i got people nagging me for results.


It is NOTED in the second paragraph and is actually the first thing that caught my eye upon opening the link provided by Dean. I am sorry to wrongfully assume that you would have noticed it as I did.

My supreme round 2 test is on hold until i can get a HVAC person to fix my thermostat which should be this weekend.
It died right after i did 1 mount on the supreme. (dont think it will matter because you say i have skewed results)

The doubt arose from the facts that were presented. Tim even posted as early as September 16, 2008, on the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU forum, a link to the pdf that clearly states the block is bowed.

Joel if you doubt my test, why dont you try the block. I'll even send you a loaner for YOU to test.

But you'll get the same results as i will.

Thank you for the offer, but if our testing team decides to test this block we will procure it ourselves. The fact I have reasonable doubts regarding the test results you posted on this and other forums, has no bearing on me having no desire to test this block, at the moment.

And also WHEN have you known me to skew results?

I've never truly seen you preform a CPU water block test and post the results. I have had the pleasure of looking at many others test results and the one's I tend to consider clearly outline the methodology used and environment test was preformed in. The simple fact you used a bugged CPU, which the actual consumers who will purchase this CPU water block will not be using, leaves alot to be questioned in itself.

R3 why you dissing me to begin with?

I am sorry that you feel that I'm "dissing" you. I am clearly stating my view of this particular test of the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 350 CPU water block, based upon the facts and events that have transpired.

My have you grown, it wasnt long ago when you used to ask me for first hand advice.

This will unfortunately be your first and last warning, the bolded portion of the above statement you made towards me is unacceptable. Try to attack the argument and not the person, Terry. I am disappointed in your choice of response.

I have asked you for advice on many occasions and am truly grateful for your insights on topics we discussed via PM. Because of you, I now look at watercooling in a much different manner. For that is the reason I am disappointed in this test of yours. You didn't even look at the documents provided to you by the company who gave you a sample block to test (and play with).

If you have a problem with me stating my view on this matter, an honest view, then I feel this might not be a community you'll enjoy. I hope I am incorrect about the tone of your reply.

[zlojack]

Wow...this is pretty good. I don't know if my first mount was just so terrible, but I'm definitely seeing much lower temps by rotating the block 90*. (If you look at my first pic, the "Supreme" engraving is now closest to my RAM instead)

Obviously there are a lot of factors to consider, but my ambient temp is about the same and temps are definitely averaging to about 5* lower. I'm going to have to try this now with the case closed up and see what happens. Before it was going up over 80 C and now it's sitting between 70 and 74 with spikes up to 78 wher before it was hovering between 75-80 with spikes up to 82-83.

[Baleful]

That's good to hear. Honestly, I'm not to sure any current blocks are going to do great on these chips. The chip isn't dead set in the middle any more, it's kinda off to the side....

Look here (http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=653) to see what i'm talking about. So one thing you have to think about, you don't want all your pressure in the mid, but more to the side where it makes contact with the IHS. I don't have any proof or experience myself to back this up, it's just purely speculation.

[alejo]

Maybe the new trend will be lopsided blocks instead of bowed. :p:D

[Kayin]

A flat block would not have as extreme an issue. That's simple science.

Need to write that one up. I may do so tomorrow.

[zlojack]

Man, I've reseated twice and I've really cranked the thumbscrews down and compressed the springs for good pressure and contact with the bowed block, but my temps still suck...

Maybe my rad just can't handle the heat, but guys are getting better temps on a TRUE. :(

Maybe I should have the pump going directly into the block and then going to the rad after the block?

I'm open to suggestions here as I'm getting up to 80C under LinX load.

Should I try hard mounting it without the springs?

[Sniper]

I am honestly beginning to think our rads will not be enough for the i920 Jack. Look at what Fits ended up doing. It wasn't for show or Epeen either. The PA120.3s couldn't hang he needed more.

[zlojack]

I am honestly beginning to think our rads will not be enough for the i920 Jack. Look at what Fits ended up doing. It wasn't for show or Epeen either. The PA120.3s couldn't hang he needed more.

What did he do? :eek:

I missed that!

And if our rads can't hang, why the hell is the TRUE doing better? :confused:

[Sniper]

What did he do? :eek:

I missed that!

And if our rads can't hang, why the hell is the TRUE doing better? :confused:

Were trying to figure that out & it has him stumped bigtime! He went with 2 GTX560s he's just finishing his box now. Hopefully once his fans are in he'll tame the beast.

[zlojack]

Were trying to figure that out & it has him stumped bigtime! He went with 2 GTX560s he's just finishing his box now. Hopefully once his fans are in he'll tame the beast.


Where's his build log? Can you link me, bro?

[Sniper]

Where's his build log? Can you link me, bro?

It's abit of a read but you see what he's been going through basically lol.

Keep in mind Jack this is for Extreme OCn as well like 4.5+

Fits build log (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52870)

[Snyxxx]

Man, I've reseated twice and I've really cranked the thumbscrews down and compressed the springs for good pressure and contact with the bowed block, but my temps still suck...

Maybe my rad just can't handle the heat, but guys are getting better temps on a TRUE. :(

Maybe I should have the pump going directly into the block and then going to the rad after the block?

I'm open to suggestions here as I'm getting up to 80C under LinX load.

Should I try hard mounting it without the springs?

Something really must be wrong to get that temp on a PA120.2 I have had a CPU, 2 X GPUs, 2 X MOSFETs, 2 X MCW30s on a PA 120.2 in one loop and the load temp for the CPU never went above 45°.

A few questions, but grasping:

Are your fans sucking in cold air?

Are the fans undervolted and maybe did not start?

CPU block back plate strong enough to avoid bending when you cranked down on it?

Sure the pump is flowing? I have had a D5 not start because of the molex connector. The temps were really high when this happenned like yours.

Just trying to help.

[zlojack]

Something really must be wrong to get that temp on a PA120.2 I have had a CPU, 2 X GPUs, 2 X MOSFETs, 2 X MCW30s on a PA 120.2 in one loop and the load temp for the CPU never went above 45°.

A few questions, but grasping:

Are your fans sucking in cold air?

Are the fans undervolted and maybe did not start?

CPU block back plate strong enough to avoid bending when you cranked down on it?

Sure the pump is flowing? I have had a D5 not start because of the molex connector. The temps were really high when this happenned like yours.

Just trying to help.
I'll answer in order:
1) They are sucking in air from the front of the case. The filters I have on there are fairly restrictive. Maybe I'll try a run with the filters off. It would suck as my house is so dusty, but I might just have to live with the dust and clean my rads on a regular basis.
2) Fans are running. I run them at about halfway on the Rheobus as that is a good balance between silent and cooling. It seems to make no difference to temps when I crank them up to 1900 RPM or leave them at about 1000 RPM
3) The CPU backplate is the one from the TRUE. I can only assume it's strong enough
4) Pump is flowing nicely.

[Ricey]

Jack,

I would humbly submit my opinion.

My opinion is mine alone and its necessarily subjective. Its not based on fancy mathematical equations, elaborate lab data or emperical scientific statistics. I have no beautiful charts and diagrams to show you.

I would get rid of your cpu block immediately. I would respectfully submit that its an ill fit with your other hardware. I would humbly suggest that the restriction is giving your grief and that cpu block is not suited for use with the pump you have.

As to what else I would buy, if you like, you can ask me for my opinions in private.

I think you derived your watercooling system building preferences from the conventional wisdom delivered by the so-called gurus at XS, and that to me is a fatal mistake.

[zlojack]

Jack,

I would humbly submit my opinion.

My opinion is mine alone and its necessarily subjective. Its not based on fancy mathematical equations, elaborate lab data or emperical scientific statistics. I have no beautiful charts and diagrams to show you.

I would get rid of your cpu block immediately. I would respectfully submit that its an ill fit with your other hardware. I would humbly suggest that the restriction is giving your grief and that cpu block is not suited for use with the pump you have.

As to what else I would buy, if you like, you can ask me for my opinions in private.

I think you derived your watercooling system building preferences from the conventional wisdom delivered by the so-called gurus at XS, and that to me is a fatal mistake.

Thanks Ian. I appreciate your honest assessment. PM on the way.

[zlojack]

Alright guys, Ian's been great about helping me figure out what to do about temps.

So far, I'm thinking maybe the Supreme isn't the right block for my application, given my limited radiator space and pump space (for example, it would be very hard to add another MCP655 to my loop)

More discussion to help me out with this would be great!

[Xilikon]

If you want to follow Ricey's advice, a good block would be a Fuzion v2 with a custom mount for the i7. It's the best in my humble opinion for your loop.

[Snyxxx]

When I was using a STORM waterblock which has to be in the same league for restriction as the Supreme, my D5/655 had a hard time with flow. I changed to a DDC and what a difference it made in flow.

A DDC would certainly save space as well.

[Langer]

HeatKiller Bitch !! FTW
You think?

I KNOW!

I wouldn't put my name on anything I wasn't certain of.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/prometheus-watercool-heatkiller-15.jpg


Similar in design to the EK, but vastly superior.

[zlojack]

I KNOW!

I wouldn't put my name on anything I wasn't certain of.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/prometheus-watercool-heatkiller-15.jpg


Similar in design to the EK, but vastly superior.

Superior in what way?

It looks just as restrictive.

[Langer]

Negative.

The internal diameter is much more open.
The base plate has 50 channels.
It's made of solid billet copper for more heat capacity and thermal interface value.
It's about 40% larger - again more heat capacity.
It's much sexier.
The internal stainless plate is much less restrictive as well.
The block is also better at distributing the flow across the fins.
It was designed for i7 back in October - not just 'adapted for i7'.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/th_prometheus-watercool-heatkiller-03.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/th_prometheus-watercool-heatkiller-04.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/PrometheusCu/th_prometheus-watercool-heatkiller-05.jpg

[zlojack]

Very interesting, Langer.

I just might have to think about that one a bit more.

[RedRaider]

"NaeKuh
Noobinator




Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Fighting with N00Bs.
Posts: 6,564 JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

I TOLD YOU SO.

THIS EXPECIALLY GOES OUT TO THAT UNKNOWN SITE WE ALL KNOW THAT CALLED ME A BS LIAR AND MY TEST BEING FLAWED.

THOSE OF YOU THAT SAID MY TEST WAS FLAWD EAT IT. YOU JUST GOT FACED PALMED.

<sorry for the rant>

Honda your tests are very close to mine with the KL-350 winning.

I had a 2-3C delta tho, KL-350 being lower.

Once again great test! Another thing you can try is putting the pump right b4 the block, instead of b4 ther rad. Sometimes it gives you another 1-2C lower delta overall."


This is a post on the "other" forum, from a person others are supposed to respect. :shake: I hope that one day some people will grow up and quit acting like 5 year old children. :shake:

What's worse than his rant's, is that a certain manufacturer actually supports his childish behavior. One has to wonder about manufacturers who would support an individual of this ilk.:shake:

I hope he is not revering to this site, because in no way did anyone here post here and I quote" A BS LIAR".

If you read the above posts in this thread we simply asked questions to which he failed to reply to.:shake:

[Sniper]

Haha yeah for sure Red. Plus IT'S JUST ANOTHER STUPID BLOCK! NOTHING TO GET DEFENSIVE ABOUT! lol

Who cares about this dudes BS rants anyways. There are a dime a dozen of this douche hahaha

[Hondacity]

your temps are too high in my opinion with the ek supreme, is the midplate still inside?

[zlojack]

your temps are too high in my opinion with the ek supreme, is the midplate still inside?

Yes it is.

Remember that I'm on a very highly overclocked i7 with a PA120.2 rad.

You think temps are too high?

By the way, welcome! :)

[Chicken Patty]

couple of things from this thread as I am just joining.

Starting off with Zlojack which is the main reason of this thread. Dude I have a FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU 120.2 and that thing cooled my phenom at 3.45 GHz 1.63v no problems! max temps were about 45ºc.

However the i7 beats it up like there is no tomorrow. I am getting the same temps as you zlojack at 4.0 Ghz 1.341v.

FIT took it a bit farther, I went ahead and ordered a GTX 480 from HW Labs, MCP655, 4x scythe 2000rpm fans, 1/2 tubing and etc etc. Hopefully this will do. By the way, I ordered my stuff from Sidewinders, first time doing business with Gary, all I can say is i'm very pleased with their service. He wasn't able to get the order out the same day, he went ahead and sent me an email saying that he was not able to finish sleeving my fans before UPS picked up, but UPS was early due to weather conditions in his area. You know kinda kept me informed of what was going on, great services goes a long way!

But its interesting how rotating the block changed your temps. I plan on reseating it when i do the install of the new parts and seeing how that goes. But anyhow, thanks for taking the time to reseat and rotate the block soo many times, although it was for you, you still went ahead and shared it with all of us.

So now, I think it is indeed very childish to go onto other forums and then post stuff like that, not only that but change it around and add to it!! I've used FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU for a while now, not very long, but enough to get a feel for their products and service, and I can say im pleased with their products and service, but if you are going to have people like test your stuff, I dont know if I can ever buy from FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU again :eek:

Red raider, I completely back you up on this, I did read the whole thread and at least not on this thread I ever saw the words " BS Liar".

For the records, my old board for my amd rig was cooled by FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU. Vregs, NB, SB, rad. So yeah just so you guys know what I mean using FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU.

[Chicken Patty]

I do have to admit though, this guys avatar is funny hahaha

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3567264&postcount=6

[Hondacity]

after reading some stuf(estimator) and my results...yep your temps are normal...at 70-74c

the rad is limited..and the fan speed(airflow and pressure) guesstimates to 70c-74C...

my results were 60-66C range with the quad rad and dual pump....

you'll probably gain a few C with
1. ok tim application and a
2. better backplate..i do have the thermalright backplate..its sturdy.but i didn't like it compared to the FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU backplate....and
3. better fans..but if noise is an issue..then we can't do anything there...

[zlojack]

I'm tempted to tear the watercooling setup out of there and try the TRUE :D

What fans would you recommend then, Hondacity?

[Septim]

Sanyo Denki San Aces... if you find them...
or Sflex-G or F 12volts...

[zlojack]

Sanyo Denki San Aces... if you find them...
or Sflex-G or F 12volts...
38mm fans are a no-go in my case.

Maybe on the backside rads.

I'm currently using SFlex-G at 12v

[Septim]

ah, for the TRUe... do push pull with those 38mm...

[zlojack]

ah, for the TRUe... do push pull with those 38mm...
Yeah...maybe if I decide to pull this rig apart and do a new build and go for air on a temporary basis, I'll do that.

[Langer]

Sanyo Denki San Aces @ Petra's (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38sadesan.html)

[zlojack]

Sanyo Denki San Aces @ Petra's (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38sadesan.html)
Those are out of stock everywhere. ;)

That, plus they don't fit on my internal rad. The rad would bump into the RAM slots if I had a 38mm fan on it.

I am aware they're the best fans.

[Baleful]

I don't think stronger fans would really help you out that much, but I would definately have stronger fans pulling air out. Or atleast have your back fans running a little higher than your intake fans.

[zlojack]

I don't think stronger fans would really help you out that much, but I would definately have stronger fans pulling air out. Or atleast have your back fans running a little higher than your intake fans.
What do you think of either of these two:

Scythe Ultra Kaze 2000 (http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26743&vpn=DFS123812-2000&manufacture=Scythe)

or

Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000 (http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26744&vpn=DFS123812H-3000&manufacture=Scythe)

Will they undervolt ok for silent running?

[Baleful]

I have no experience with those fans so I can't comment on the noise, but fans like these would improve airflow in the case.

[zlojack]

I have no experience with those fans so I can't comment on the noise, but fans like these would improve airflow in the case.
Yeah...I wouldn't expect total silence, to be honest. I simply don't have the rad capacity for that.

Now I'm just trying to get the best I can out of these parts until I can upgrade to parts with a higher cooling capacity.