RedRaider
09-12-2009, 11:34 AM
The RRTech FS/FT RULES !!!
(You MUST READ these BEFORE POSTING in FS/FT, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.)
Welcome to the RRTech For Sale/Trade Forum
All Forum Rules Are To Be Followed
** The sale of any engineering samples, pre-production hardware, or any hardware otherwise not for resale is not permitted. **
** This FS/FT forum is provided as a community service. RRTech is NOT responsible for any transactions or losses that result from postings in this forum, period. RRTech is not responsible for any 3rd party sales that are communicated via this forum. Any and all disputes must be taken up directly with the parties involved with the transaction. RRTech will not be involved, nor mediate any disputes arising from a transaction communicated via this forum. Disputes cannot be publicly posted RRTech forums. **
(0) In the instance that we are contacted about any member here being a "bad trader" or a "troll," we reserve the right to turn any and all IP and personal information we have on that member over to any law enforcement authorities and/or any other group or individuals we desire. If you do not agree with this rule, do not trade on our boards.
(1) The SUBJECT of your thread should reflect the type of transaction FS (For Sale), FT (For Trade), WTB (Want to Buy) or WTTF (Want to Trade For)
(2) Post a picture of the physical item you are selling/trading, along with your RRTech forum account name, handwritten on a piece of paper in the background, with forum name and date included. This is to validate that there is an item being sold and that you are the seller. Have your pictures ready before you post your thread! No pics, don't post or your thread will be deleted and actions can/will be taken against your account privileges.
You MUST include the following for each item:
* Picture of product with forum account name, forum name and date included in frame
* Part Number
* Link to manufacturer or retailer for specs (if applicable)
* Condition (New in box, Used almost new, Used, Defective in some way, etc.)
* Exact Price
* Means of payment accepted
(3) NO MISLEADING Titles or item descriptions.
(4) NO Price or "interest" CHECKS
(5) You MUST have a link to your www.heatware.com profile in your post. (You can link any other feedback pages you currently have, but heatware is required)
(6) CONSOLIDATE Threads. Spamming of multiple threads will same products will not be tolerated.
(7) NO excessive BUMPING of your thread. Excessive bumping using Bump, TTT, ^^^, or other multiple wording to place your thread at the top is limited to 6 hours apart. Repeated bumping by another member within the 6 hour minimum will not be tolerated. Repeated long term bumping of a thread will not be allowed. Any abuse of the bumping rules is to be determined at the discretion of the moderators and/or administrators over and beyond the stated rules on a case by case basis.
(8) You MUST POST a PRICE unless the item is purely FT. (trading for cash still means FS)
(9) NO software sales or trades, period.
* Do not post anything that violates any US Federal, State, or Local laws, including but not limited to: copyright, trademark, trade secret, patent, NDA, TOS, or EULA.
(10) Selling or Trading of CD-KEY(s) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
(11) NO AUCTION style posts.
(12) NO multi-level marketing schemes. (PYRAMID Schemes - see Fitseries3 previous attempts)
(13) NO linkage to sales on EBAY, other auction boards, Craiglist or any other sites FS/FT forums, etc.
(14) NO sales of COUPONS or any other freely distributed items such as DewU codes, Marlboro miles, Gmail, Dell discount codes, etc.
(15) NO PANHANDLING (Requests for money, paypal, or goods and services for free)
(16) NO trading MONEY for money. (Borrowing money with higher payback)
(17) NO LINKING to other sites except for image hosting. Do not steal bandwidth from others, host your own images or use an image hosting site such as www.flickr.com, http://photobucket.com/ or a similar hosting site.
(18) NO SHOUTING. If you don't know..THIS IS SHOUTING. This applies to thread titles also.
(19) NO FLAMING or in-before-the-lock posts.
(20) NO THREAD CRAPPING. It is rude and will not be tolerated. If you have an issue with the price, the seller or the conditions of the sale, contact the seller directly via PM or email, do not post it in the thread.
(21) NO CONTEST threads
(22) NO ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, weapons, or of any kind or pornography (anything that can be classified "Adult Material") are to be sold here..... nothing that is governed by the Federal Government as interstate trade. Likewise, no pharmaceuticals, legal or otherwise, can be sold here.
(23) GROUP BUYS are NOT ALLOWED.
(24) The buying, selling, trading or solicitation of SERVICES is PROHIBITED.
(25) All prices are in US Dollars unless otherwise noted, the buyer is responsible for all additional transaction costs including foreign exchange.
(26) NO Dealers or Vendors allowed.
Rule Exception: If you have a great deal to bring to RRTech members, please email redraider@realredraider.com with your product and deal and it will be decided on a case by case basis, by RedRaider solely. If it is a good deal for the forum members, it will be allowed. You must be legitimate.
** The above rules are made for the protection of all. Failure to comply with the rules will result in suspension of your privileges to post in this forum, or forfeiture of your forum membership according to the severity of the infraction. The moderators and administrators of this board reserve the right to modify, edit, move or delete any part or all of a post or thread for any reason stated above. RRTech also reserves the right to ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. **
If you have any problems or questions, feel free to address your inquiries to the listed forum Moderators or Administrators via PM
Regarding Trading Tips and Dealing with Trolls:
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quick Tips for trading ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) Always use delivery confirmation, and always keep the proof that you shipped.
(2) Always ask for a real name, home address, and telephone number. Verify it with a call or a search in the white pages.
(3) If the seller is suspicious, please search for info about him or contact a mod or administrator of this forum. If deal sounds too good to be true, chances are that it is.
(4) Don’t jump to conclusions, email the seller if you have problems, if you have their phone number, give them a call.
(5) If you feel that you’ve been scammed, you can file complaints about internet fraud directly with the FBI at their Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFFC) http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx You can also go to www.usps.com and file a complaint for postal fraud, and most state Attorney Generals have an online internet fraud complaint form.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Avoiding Trolls~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) No matter what, get a name, address and phone number and then confirm the information by:
a. Phoning the telephone number and checking if it is actually them.
b. Going to www.switchboard.com or a similar site and check out if the last name matches the address. If it does not match, find out why from the trader before selling (the telephone may be listed to another party in the house) Chances are if they won't provide a phone number, something is up.
(2) Don't ship first without getting good references. You can get money back through different means if your money is taken, but your SOL if you ship before receiving payment.
(3) Don't accept a cell phone for the phone number. It's much easier to change or cancel than a home phone number.
(4) Keep a record of all conversation with the person pertaining to the trade. It provides backup when having to deal with the police.
(5) Be wary of anyone with a recent forum registration date. Post count means little, date of registration does.
(6) If a deal seems too good to be true, chances are that it is......so be wary.
~~~~~~~~~ OUTING A TROLL ~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) If you have a problem with a buyer or seller and believe them to be a "Troll", do NOT post a thread or comment about said user. Posting a suspicion without proper backup only makes you look bad on the forum and the forum look bad. It will NOT be TOLERATED. The Administration of this site will be the ONLY ones who will post threads regarding who are the known "trolls", period.
(2) Claiming someone is a troll because they are selling something "too good to be true" or any other suspicious reason is not allowed.
(3) When "outing" a troll you must provide PROOF that the troll did indeed rip you off. This means that you started a trade, either with money or merchandise and you did not receive the item promised. Hearsay or rumor are NOT grounds for crying troll on this forum.
(4) In lots of cases items are sent out, but maybe not as quickly as hoped. Give the trade sufficient time to pan out before claiming someone is a troll. I suggest at least waiting 2-4 weeks before even thinking about claiming someone as a troll.
(5) Believe it or not, things do happen that cause people delay in shipping on a promised date. This does not make them a troll. They should provide a satisfactory explanation for such activity, but it's not necessary as long as the trade is completed.
(6) If you have a problem with the speed at which someone trades, leave them negative feedback on their preferred feedback site.
(7) The key here is to remember that EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty!!!
(8) Remember and make use of these tips and no one will get hurt.
~~~~~~~~~~~Regarding Troll Threads~~~~~~~~~~~
We really DO NOT want to create Troll threads on this forum unless there is adequate proof that there has actually been an instance of trolling. What we have had in the past has been rumor and suspicion which only harms innocent dealers. If you have proof that you have been a victim of a scam, report it to the moderator or administrators of this forum. The facts will be checked out and if there has been an instance of a scam, an official warning thread will be created. The operative word here is proof. Present all of the needed trade parameters, contact information and logs of communication when contacting a moderator or administrator about a troll instance. If you followed the tips and warnings listed above, you should have no problems in providing the needed proof.
###########TROLL LISTS###########
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=148 (http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=148)
http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5254 (http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5254)
**posted rules are subject to addition/deletion at any time**
(You MUST READ these BEFORE POSTING in FS/FT, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.)
Welcome to the RRTech For Sale/Trade Forum
All Forum Rules Are To Be Followed
** The sale of any engineering samples, pre-production hardware, or any hardware otherwise not for resale is not permitted. **
** This FS/FT forum is provided as a community service. RRTech is NOT responsible for any transactions or losses that result from postings in this forum, period. RRTech is not responsible for any 3rd party sales that are communicated via this forum. Any and all disputes must be taken up directly with the parties involved with the transaction. RRTech will not be involved, nor mediate any disputes arising from a transaction communicated via this forum. Disputes cannot be publicly posted RRTech forums. **
(0) In the instance that we are contacted about any member here being a "bad trader" or a "troll," we reserve the right to turn any and all IP and personal information we have on that member over to any law enforcement authorities and/or any other group or individuals we desire. If you do not agree with this rule, do not trade on our boards.
(1) The SUBJECT of your thread should reflect the type of transaction FS (For Sale), FT (For Trade), WTB (Want to Buy) or WTTF (Want to Trade For)
(2) Post a picture of the physical item you are selling/trading, along with your RRTech forum account name, handwritten on a piece of paper in the background, with forum name and date included. This is to validate that there is an item being sold and that you are the seller. Have your pictures ready before you post your thread! No pics, don't post or your thread will be deleted and actions can/will be taken against your account privileges.
You MUST include the following for each item:
* Picture of product with forum account name, forum name and date included in frame
* Part Number
* Link to manufacturer or retailer for specs (if applicable)
* Condition (New in box, Used almost new, Used, Defective in some way, etc.)
* Exact Price
* Means of payment accepted
(3) NO MISLEADING Titles or item descriptions.
(4) NO Price or "interest" CHECKS
(5) You MUST have a link to your www.heatware.com profile in your post. (You can link any other feedback pages you currently have, but heatware is required)
(6) CONSOLIDATE Threads. Spamming of multiple threads will same products will not be tolerated.
(7) NO excessive BUMPING of your thread. Excessive bumping using Bump, TTT, ^^^, or other multiple wording to place your thread at the top is limited to 6 hours apart. Repeated bumping by another member within the 6 hour minimum will not be tolerated. Repeated long term bumping of a thread will not be allowed. Any abuse of the bumping rules is to be determined at the discretion of the moderators and/or administrators over and beyond the stated rules on a case by case basis.
(8) You MUST POST a PRICE unless the item is purely FT. (trading for cash still means FS)
(9) NO software sales or trades, period.
* Do not post anything that violates any US Federal, State, or Local laws, including but not limited to: copyright, trademark, trade secret, patent, NDA, TOS, or EULA.
(10) Selling or Trading of CD-KEY(s) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
(11) NO AUCTION style posts.
(12) NO multi-level marketing schemes. (PYRAMID Schemes - see Fitseries3 previous attempts)
(13) NO linkage to sales on EBAY, other auction boards, Craiglist or any other sites FS/FT forums, etc.
(14) NO sales of COUPONS or any other freely distributed items such as DewU codes, Marlboro miles, Gmail, Dell discount codes, etc.
(15) NO PANHANDLING (Requests for money, paypal, or goods and services for free)
(16) NO trading MONEY for money. (Borrowing money with higher payback)
(17) NO LINKING to other sites except for image hosting. Do not steal bandwidth from others, host your own images or use an image hosting site such as www.flickr.com, http://photobucket.com/ or a similar hosting site.
(18) NO SHOUTING. If you don't know..THIS IS SHOUTING. This applies to thread titles also.
(19) NO FLAMING or in-before-the-lock posts.
(20) NO THREAD CRAPPING. It is rude and will not be tolerated. If you have an issue with the price, the seller or the conditions of the sale, contact the seller directly via PM or email, do not post it in the thread.
(21) NO CONTEST threads
(22) NO ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, weapons, or of any kind or pornography (anything that can be classified "Adult Material") are to be sold here..... nothing that is governed by the Federal Government as interstate trade. Likewise, no pharmaceuticals, legal or otherwise, can be sold here.
(23) GROUP BUYS are NOT ALLOWED.
(24) The buying, selling, trading or solicitation of SERVICES is PROHIBITED.
(25) All prices are in US Dollars unless otherwise noted, the buyer is responsible for all additional transaction costs including foreign exchange.
(26) NO Dealers or Vendors allowed.
Rule Exception: If you have a great deal to bring to RRTech members, please email redraider@realredraider.com with your product and deal and it will be decided on a case by case basis, by RedRaider solely. If it is a good deal for the forum members, it will be allowed. You must be legitimate.
** The above rules are made for the protection of all. Failure to comply with the rules will result in suspension of your privileges to post in this forum, or forfeiture of your forum membership according to the severity of the infraction. The moderators and administrators of this board reserve the right to modify, edit, move or delete any part or all of a post or thread for any reason stated above. RRTech also reserves the right to ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. **
If you have any problems or questions, feel free to address your inquiries to the listed forum Moderators or Administrators via PM
Regarding Trading Tips and Dealing with Trolls:
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quick Tips for trading ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) Always use delivery confirmation, and always keep the proof that you shipped.
(2) Always ask for a real name, home address, and telephone number. Verify it with a call or a search in the white pages.
(3) If the seller is suspicious, please search for info about him or contact a mod or administrator of this forum. If deal sounds too good to be true, chances are that it is.
(4) Don’t jump to conclusions, email the seller if you have problems, if you have their phone number, give them a call.
(5) If you feel that you’ve been scammed, you can file complaints about internet fraud directly with the FBI at their Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFFC) http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx You can also go to www.usps.com and file a complaint for postal fraud, and most state Attorney Generals have an online internet fraud complaint form.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Avoiding Trolls~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) No matter what, get a name, address and phone number and then confirm the information by:
a. Phoning the telephone number and checking if it is actually them.
b. Going to www.switchboard.com or a similar site and check out if the last name matches the address. If it does not match, find out why from the trader before selling (the telephone may be listed to another party in the house) Chances are if they won't provide a phone number, something is up.
(2) Don't ship first without getting good references. You can get money back through different means if your money is taken, but your SOL if you ship before receiving payment.
(3) Don't accept a cell phone for the phone number. It's much easier to change or cancel than a home phone number.
(4) Keep a record of all conversation with the person pertaining to the trade. It provides backup when having to deal with the police.
(5) Be wary of anyone with a recent forum registration date. Post count means little, date of registration does.
(6) If a deal seems too good to be true, chances are that it is......so be wary.
~~~~~~~~~ OUTING A TROLL ~~~~~~~~~~~
(1) If you have a problem with a buyer or seller and believe them to be a "Troll", do NOT post a thread or comment about said user. Posting a suspicion without proper backup only makes you look bad on the forum and the forum look bad. It will NOT be TOLERATED. The Administration of this site will be the ONLY ones who will post threads regarding who are the known "trolls", period.
(2) Claiming someone is a troll because they are selling something "too good to be true" or any other suspicious reason is not allowed.
(3) When "outing" a troll you must provide PROOF that the troll did indeed rip you off. This means that you started a trade, either with money or merchandise and you did not receive the item promised. Hearsay or rumor are NOT grounds for crying troll on this forum.
(4) In lots of cases items are sent out, but maybe not as quickly as hoped. Give the trade sufficient time to pan out before claiming someone is a troll. I suggest at least waiting 2-4 weeks before even thinking about claiming someone as a troll.
(5) Believe it or not, things do happen that cause people delay in shipping on a promised date. This does not make them a troll. They should provide a satisfactory explanation for such activity, but it's not necessary as long as the trade is completed.
(6) If you have a problem with the speed at which someone trades, leave them negative feedback on their preferred feedback site.
(7) The key here is to remember that EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty!!!
(8) Remember and make use of these tips and no one will get hurt.
~~~~~~~~~~~Regarding Troll Threads~~~~~~~~~~~
We really DO NOT want to create Troll threads on this forum unless there is adequate proof that there has actually been an instance of trolling. What we have had in the past has been rumor and suspicion which only harms innocent dealers. If you have proof that you have been a victim of a scam, report it to the moderator or administrators of this forum. The facts will be checked out and if there has been an instance of a scam, an official warning thread will be created. The operative word here is proof. Present all of the needed trade parameters, contact information and logs of communication when contacting a moderator or administrator about a troll instance. If you followed the tips and warnings listed above, you should have no problems in providing the needed proof.
###########TROLL LISTS###########
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=148 (http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=148)
http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5254 (http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5254)
**posted rules are subject to addition/deletion at any time**