View Full Version : How Sidewindercomputers.com treats their customers
BDW88
07-02-2009, 10:02 AM
Guys so I bought a couple of MCP 355's from http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ awhile back (4 months to be exact) well one of them died last week... I was going to try and RMA it but wasn't to sure if it was possible because my location might be considered International, and I had modded the pump by shortening the wires when I first got it. So I emailed Gary and told him my predicament, thinking there was no way in hell I'd get an RMA. :(
Now for the the reason why http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ is the FUCKING BEST LC SHOP ON THE PLANET AND CUSTOMER SERVICE IS FUCKING OUTSTANDING! Gary is going to setup the RMA for the dead pump, mind you that 4 months has passed and I told Gary that the wires had been modded, but wait there's more! Gary is also going to send me a new pump to boot! Now how's that for customer service :D
sorry for the long post... But how many shops take care of their customers like that :) I can tell you not many my fellow RRTech brethren :bird:
Big_Daddy
07-02-2009, 10:08 AM
Yup. Gary will bend over backwards for you.
Baleful
07-02-2009, 10:12 AM
Vendors like Gary are hard to find my friend.
Do you think Hanky Panky, or Mark would have gone out of their way to help you? Fuck no, they would have called you a dumb cunt and told you fuck off.
5 big thumbs up to Gary :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
ILikeCosmosS
07-02-2009, 10:44 AM
gj gary
ChuckleBrother
07-02-2009, 11:18 AM
There is a damn good reason why the sidewinder banner ad is up there at the top of the board: it is a damn good shop. My only wish is that he could expand his inventory a bit and get a little more selection. Mostly for tubing, all the really popular(because they are the best) items are already in the store:)
trfnj74
07-02-2009, 11:54 AM
Gary is the motherfucking MAN!!!!!!Awesome customer support as he alwasys makes sure you getting the right stuff. He has even crossed shiped with me a few times which you really dont see anymore.........:up:
Floyd
07-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Never checked out the site before. They do have some good deals! Looks like im going to buy my pump from them now :) 355 here I come!
slpdLoad
07-02-2009, 12:19 PM
I've tried a few other vendors in the past, with little issue, but Sidewinders has been a cut above the rest so far even in my limited experience - be it going out of his way to get an item shipped same day or the nice hardware stock updates he posts on this forum.
At this point, I will absolutely go out of my way to only buy my WC gear from Gary. :up:
Floyd
07-02-2009, 12:25 PM
If he had the chipset blocks and mosfet blocks that I need id buy them but alas very few people have Striker II stuff.
trfnj74
07-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Gary carrys the mosfet blocks....http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/biblfrmosama.html as they are the same for the Rampage Extreme.
Just give Gary a call to see if he can get you the NB/SB Block....
Bitspower BP-WBA79NS-BK
If he had the chipset blocks and mosfet blocks that I need id buy them but alas very few people have Striker II stuff.
Cutless009
07-02-2009, 12:45 PM
Gary NEVER fails to get me taken care of, EVER. If I need something, I go to his shop, and if he doesn't have what I want, I'll change my plans just to buy from him, because I know I'm GUARANTEED to get the product I ordered, in good condition, or else! Cuz gary is the MAN.
Hope you're feeling better gary mah man!
Floyd
07-02-2009, 12:55 PM
Gary carrys the mosfet blocks....http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/biblfrmosama.html as they are the same for the Rampage Extreme.
Just give Gary a call to see if he can get you the NB/SB Block....
Bitspower BP-WBA79NS-BK
Thanks Tom, I swear I just looked and didnt see those. BTW there a typo in that link for "Striker"
Ill have to call when I got the money unfortunately. I know that NB/SB block is over 100 bucks.
Baleful
07-02-2009, 02:18 PM
I could be wrong, and if I am please feel free to bitch slap me Gary :bat: :rofl:, but Sidewinders usually has quite a bit of inventory that sometimes doesn't make it to the site. Gary is a busy guy and doesn't always have time to put everything up on the site. There was one occasion that I needed some bitspower fittings that he didn't have posted on the site. Gave him a call, turned out he had a handful of the fittings that I needed, and got them to me quick.
If you need something that doesn't show up on the site, just give him a call :up:
Lollerskater69
07-02-2009, 04:00 PM
I could be wrong, and if I am please feel free to bitch slap me Gary :bat: :rofl:, but Sidewinders usually has quite a bit of inventory that sometimes doesn't make it to the site. Gary is a busy guy and doesn't always have time to put everything up on the site. There was one occasion that I needed some bitspower fittings that he didn't have posted on the site. Gave him a call, turned out he had a handful of the fittings that I needed, and got them to me quick.
If you need something that doesn't show up on the site, just give him a call :up:
I attest to that. I needed some extra pci slot covers because I had lost mine. He gave me some for free when I called him! Hank's Fuck Shop wanted to charge me 4$.
Long live Sidewinder Computers!:worship::worship:
Schnapper
07-02-2009, 05:09 PM
How is the international shipping from Sidewinder? Usually I just wait fro group buys in Australian forums to buy things from overseas simply because the shipping is jsut so excessive.
Marne
07-02-2009, 05:42 PM
i just got off the phone with Gary. the man is a godsend. he was actually HOLDING my box ready to take to post office when i called him and told him my name lol. i ordered a HK this morning. i asked if he had a few 790i pieces lying around.hes got the NS bridge block but no mosfets :( im not gonna have it done for a minute. i r poor and am still waiting on Reds response to a PM i sent him. dude seems real cool. hes just like myself in many regards. no bullshit st8 forward dude :)
MKmods
07-02-2009, 06:45 PM
since we all seem to be going on about how great Gary/Sidewinder is I had nothing but good orders from him.
(crosses fingers there is a MST-88 in stock)
Gazmtk
07-02-2009, 07:11 PM
this is why Gary is in my Sig, he could of fucked me over on a order that I had incorrectly selected items, which was an honest mistake, but no he called me up and asked me if the order was correct, well thats an expensive call to make, but this is what Gary does! this is why Gary gets my business, even if he charged more I would still go there because you get service you just CANT buy!
RedRaider
07-02-2009, 07:15 PM
Marne... Resend the PM you are talking about. I don't see one from you since the end of April??
Marne
07-02-2009, 07:28 PM
aint noone kissing anybodies ass dude. showing support for a great vendor is one thing. kissing ass is another. were just all chiming in on how well hes treated us in comparison to how the other 2 fuckwads who run those other shitty overpriced sites treat us. i warn you now. ppl here arnt too akin to getting charged 30 bucks to ship some TIM overnight (happened to me once at frozen BS shack - i called him up declined order and told him to circumcise himself by kicking his sister in the back of the head)
MKmods
07-02-2009, 07:42 PM
Sorry Marne, wrong choice of words....
NeKoS
07-02-2009, 08:26 PM
We all love Sidewinder (Gary). Since I been buying my parts for my WC slowly, I only spend it with Gary. Even if I can get it at other places right away, I rather spend my money with Sidewinder because the Customer support is the best in the business.
Liu Kang
07-02-2009, 08:31 PM
If Gary was a chick, I'd hit it.
trfnj74
07-02-2009, 08:32 PM
:rofl:
If Gary was a chick, I'd hit it.
Marne
07-02-2009, 08:34 PM
lolololololol
Anyone had contact gary for the past 3 day, i been try to email him for the past 3 day asking about my order but with no reply. I heard he is sick, is the store still closed?
I have order at 24/6/2009 that has not been shipped yet.
trfnj74
07-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I spoke with him yesterday, he has been busy getting ready to move his shop. I tried for a couple of days also. Keep trying to hes great to deal with and will get back to you.
Anyone had contact gary for the past 3 day, i been try to email him for the past 3 day asking about my order but with no reply. I heard he is sick, is the store still closed?
I have order at 24/6/2009 that has not been shipped yet.
Lollerskater69
07-02-2009, 11:37 PM
I emailed him and in 30 mins I got a response lol.
slpdLoad
07-02-2009, 11:55 PM
I ordered some gear Wednesday and it shipped out. I hope he's not moving too far...I enjoy the shop being only an hour's drive away...great shipping rates and times. lol
mcoffey
07-03-2009, 12:12 AM
When you take all things into consideration such as stock, shipping costs and most of all customer service, it's hard to beat Sidewinders and Gary. You really get a sense of how interested he is in us as customers and the hobby we enjoy.
I feel good about it every time I get something from Gary.
Most of all, I hope he gets fully back on his feet and back to feeling 100% quickly:up:
andyc
hmm, maybe i'll call him later tonight
RedRaider
07-03-2009, 08:13 AM
hmm, maybe i'll call him later tonight
Tomorrow is the 4th of July, Independence Day. Most people spend time with their families on this holiday:up:
I for one, am off work today...:)
BigMyke
07-03-2009, 09:37 AM
Tomorrow is the 4th of July, Independence Day. Most people spend time with their families on this holiday:up:
I for one, am off work today...:)
Tomarrow is also Saturday. Does Sidewinder even operate Saturdays?
RedRaider
07-03-2009, 09:49 AM
Gary is always fucking packing shit and answering emails.
I told him to take today off and be with his wife and two beautiful daughters.:up:
magoo25
07-03-2009, 10:04 AM
No doubt Sidewinder is an excellent place.
I feel the same as everybody else here.......I look at Sidewinder first, if I have to change something slightly to accomidate stock he has.....OK with me.
The guy is superb.
Prices are low, shipping is fast and cheap, and he'll talk to you.
Treats you just like you'd expect.:D
magoo25
07-03-2009, 10:06 AM
Tomarrow is also Saturday. Does Sidewinder even operate Saturdays?
I called Gary on a Saturday this Spring when I was putting my HeatKiller on.
We had a nice conversation and he answered my questions, was a big help.
Cutless009
07-03-2009, 11:47 AM
Gary is always fucking packing shit and answering emails.
I told him to take today off and be with his wife and two beautiful daughters.:up:
fuckin right.
NeKoS
07-03-2009, 12:11 PM
Gary,
Take a vacation damn it!! You deserve it...
but wait, then we all have to wait for our items....Be strong!! We can be strong, can't we?
Morae
07-03-2009, 12:37 PM
I said this four days ago:
For some damn reason, I thought First Class from the USPS was the same thing as standard airmail. Well, I guess that's not the case. My Sidewinder order is gonna take two to three weeks to get here! :/
They need better terminology. "First Class" to me means "special priority". I mean, is there a second class? A third class? In that event, then I guess second class would be "Yeah, we'll get around to it someday", and third class would be, "You wanna pay us to destroy your shit? Okay!"
Box of goodies from Sidewinder showed up today. Four days from Gary, to the middle of Norway. I was very, very surprised, to say the least.
It wasn't a large order. I'd never dealt with Sidewinder before, but everyone loves Gary, so I thought I'd give it a shot. The order did contain some key BP fittings though, necessary for the assembly of my cards in SLI. Gary carries three lengths of the BP D-plug, which bridges the cards. I didn't know what length I needed, so I ordered all three. Also ordered some BP barbs and other comp fittings. They're all very lovely. I bought them just as extras, but I'm tempted to use them in place of my EK stuff.
Definitely happy with Sidewinder and will certainly buy my shit from Gary again.
zlojack
07-03-2009, 01:50 PM
I forgot about your holiday down there.
You guys getting ready for it?
We had Canada Day up here on July 1st
Enjoy yourselves and I hope Gary takes a well-deserved break.
I've only ever had great experiences with him and he's a pleasure to deal with.
MomijiTMO
07-04-2009, 12:31 AM
These threads are nice to see.
:)
akarobo99
07-05-2009, 08:56 PM
Just ordered all of the stuff for my first watercooled build from him. Hope my experience is as good as all of those I am reading about here.
Worthy
07-05-2009, 10:36 PM
Just ordered all of the stuff for my first watercooled build from him. Hope my experience is as good as all of those I am reading about here.
You'll never have a problem from gary.
CrixD
07-06-2009, 01:19 AM
You'll never have a problem from gary.
And if hell has frozen over, and it happens, then it is not intentionally at all, or then it is the shipping company's fault :)
Lollerskater69
07-06-2009, 08:48 PM
I got my order today and everything was in order and properly packed. Fast shipping too.
Gary won't let you down.
Lu(ky
07-07-2009, 04:13 AM
Vendors like Gary are hard to find my friend.
Do you think Hanky Panky, or Mark would have gone out of their way to help you? Fuck no, they would have called you a dumb cunt and told you fuck off.
5 big thumbs up to Gary :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
Funny you say that about Hanky Panky because I tried to send a couple things back on a build I was doing within 1 month of buying it, I changed theme color of build so I called only got the answering machine left a message. After 3 days of no call back I emailed them, and off the bat cold, rude email tone back saying we normally do not do this but only this time we will. I said look how much stuff I buy from your store $4K. All the items were new never opened or used. From that day I buy only from Sidewindercomputers.com Sorry Hank you can go screw yourself..:fu::bird::moon::D
Marne
07-07-2009, 07:40 AM
just got my HK. ordered it the 1st. its got here yesterday morning while i was at work. i think Gary beat the crap out of them and said FUCK THAT YOUR WORKING ON SUNDAY BITCH! i dont see how else it got here so fucking fast lol. of course its padded up like a friggin linebacker. itd take nothing short of an atom bomb to damage the contents of that box.
nicky.82uk
07-07-2009, 02:29 PM
Gary The Man i just wish he could sort out my invoice then i can pay him then i can play with my new toys because i'm so fucking hungry for them now lol oh and by the way he doing all my cables you just have to love this guy he always goes out of his way to please everybody ... Thank you so much gary for the service you offer everybody your one in a million mate
akarobo99
07-09-2009, 05:32 PM
This is some of the best service I have found anywhere. Emails are answered promptly, parts are packaged more than adequately and were sitting on my doorstep in 3 days. Thank you Gary for conducting business as you do.
Marne
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
just ordered a BitsPower top for my mcp655. i had called him asking about someother stuff and he mentioned he had ONE left so he changed the website around to say it had none in stock but it still had the option to add to cart LOL. so for a few secs there if anyone had stumpled upon the BP pump page they could have ordered my pump top right out from under me LOL. good good man ^_^
cyriene
08-04-2009, 10:15 PM
I just had to revive this thread to reiterate how awesome Gary is.
I had ordered some things, one of which a Prolimatech Megahelams HSF. I was installing it and one of the bolts was problamtatic and non-functional and did not work with any of the nuts. I got a little mad and anxious and tried to screw the nut on harder and ended up breaking the bolt off into the nut.
I emailed Gary late one night because I have been really busy starting my new job this week and everything else going on. Well, he responded that night and shipped out the replacement bolt and nut. Even though the bolt was non-functional, I offered to buy the replacements since I had broken it but he shipped the replacement anyway.
I know I'll always look at Sidewinder computers first when looking to buy new parts.
mcoffey
08-04-2009, 10:28 PM
And to add yet another note..I needed to get another King 7520 flow meter and a couple other parts to finish my t3 testing and ordered them Monday around 1:00 PM. Gary said he probably wouldn't get them shipped that day because he was getting caught up from the weekend. I explained my situation, told him I understood and asked him to ship them as soon as possible so I could finish/post my results. I was expecting them Thursday.
Sure as shit, about 4 hours later I received an email saying the parts had been shipped, and they would arrive here tomorrow Wednesday. Just goes to show you how hard this guy busts his ass for incredible customer service. I just can't help but support a guy that goes out of his way, and busts his ass continuously to build his business thru superior customer service and best business practices.
Hats off to Gary and Sidewinders,
andyc
talladega
08-05-2009, 02:48 AM
I think of all the orders I've place at Sidewinders, maybe once my order hasnt shipped that same day (unless I order in the evening). Great service Gary provides. I just place another order from him, I'm sure it'll be there by this weekend even though I can only pick it up next weekend (im at canadian shooting championship this weekend).
I love that hes got that super cheap USPS First Class option. Two fittings and some fan filters just $3 to ship. At PissPCs it would have cost $8 more for the fittings and filters plus $7.
YerBuddy
08-05-2009, 07:58 AM
I work for Uncle Sam overseas. I have an APO address which allows me to receive mail, but many times it's a pain in the ass to get things quickly. I'm very used to waiting upwards of three weeks depending on the item and from where it's shipped.
Last month I ordered several parts from three different vendors (Sidewinders, Petras, and PerformancePCs) since none of them had everything I needed in one place. So, I ordered them all one after the other within about 10 minutes of each other. 5 days later I received the Sidewinder order (Excellent)! The next day I received the Petras order (also very good timing). The last one took two weeks... unacceptable!
If Sidewinders had everything I want when I want it...they'd get all my money!
Morae
08-05-2009, 08:21 AM
Another box of Bitspower Compressions and Stops hit my doorstep today. This time, in all gold. Damn are they dead-sexy.
But...
Jesus H Christ... I must own more BP fittings than all of XS by now. Silver Shining, Black Sparkle, True Silver, and now, True Golden. As well as 20-something EK barbs and other assorted fittings, half a dozen BP barbs, some Enzotech, some AC valves, some FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU QDCs... And... now Vincent brings Matte Black ones...
Someone... Help me...:shake:
:banana::sm::banana:
mcoffey
08-05-2009, 08:39 AM
Another box of Bitspower Compressions and Stops hit my doorstep today. This time, in all gold. Damn are they dead-sexy.
But...
Jesus H Christ... I must own more BP fittings than all of XS by now. Silver Shining, Black Sparkle, True Silver, and now, True Golden. As well as 20-something EK barbs and other assorted fittings, half a dozen BP barbs, some Enzotech, some AC valves, some FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU QDCs... And... now Vincent brings Matte Black ones...
Someone... Help me...:shake:
:banana::sm::banana:
dude, I wouldn't know where to start:rofl:
http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/BP%20box.JPG
And that ain't all:wth:
andyc
nicky.82uk
08-05-2009, 08:47 AM
same also lol mine just where ever you look lol help youself like but soon over thank god
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn256/nicky_82/DSCF7662.jpg
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn256/nicky_82/DSCF7663.jpg
6 month not used these for wtf 295 sli
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn256/nicky_82/DSCF7664.jpg
Morae
08-05-2009, 09:04 AM
Mcoffey, sell me those BP casetop fillports. I'm planning to use them as bulkheads. Then again, maybe I should just order four more.
Nicky, I know. My entire i7 rig (with SLI) is sitting next to me in pieces while I plod along on this Athlon 64 X2 5600. It's killing me. Been killing me for two months. I just refuse to complete it until I can do it right the first time. Half-assery isn't my style.
ILikeCosmosS
08-05-2009, 09:07 AM
mcoffey you have life time supply of fittings! How can you run out?:p
nicky.82uk
08-05-2009, 09:12 AM
Yea man its a killer why you think i did the AMD rig .. got something to tie me over this i7 rig nealy done i'm just waiting for the aqua aquaero coming in last part for me .. i was going to ship it out then said fuck wait it out a few extra days there's not point send it all then paying the extra shipping cost for the aqua aquaero extra 100$ with dhl
mcoffey
08-05-2009, 10:01 AM
mcoffey you have life time supply of fittings! How can you run out?:p
LOL...I used just about everyone of those fittings on this build and then some:D
http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0002%281%29.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0015%282%29.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0056-1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~mcoffey22/pwpimages/DSC_0012-1.JPG
No such thing as a life time supply of BP fittings:crack: And Gary at Sidewinders has a huge selection of the good stuff at great pricing:up:
:D andyc
craigbru
08-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Just an FYI, Heatkillers are back in stock! Just placed on order, and shipping came to $5.37. Gary freaking rocks!
slpdLoad
08-05-2009, 11:56 AM
:woot: Got a 1366 mount kit for my Heatkiller.
You know....just in case....:D
craigbru
08-05-2009, 12:24 PM
I sent Gary an email a little while ago to add a Swiftech northbridge block to my order. The email was answered promptly, and the changes were made to my order without issue. Simply Awesome... Now I'm going to go hit up Petra's. Gotta support the good guys!
nicky.82uk
08-05-2009, 03:06 PM
well if you waiting on Aqua parts the secound box has just came into to garys 3 hours ago yeaaaa i think weekend i should have the other one up and running
frieten
08-06-2009, 02:05 PM
Another box of Bitspower Compressions and Stops hit my doorstep today. This time, in all gold. Damn are they dead-sexy.
But...
Jesus H Christ... I must own more BP fittings than all of XS by now. Silver Shining, Black Sparkle, True Silver, and now, True Golden. As well as 20-something EK barbs and other assorted fittings, half a dozen BP barbs, some Enzotech, some AC valves, some FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU QDCs... And... now Vincent brings Matte Black ones...
Someone... Help me...:shake:
:banana::sm::banana:
i feel for you, i went on a spree with fittings and ended up spending a cool $600 on fitting within a 2 week period lol.
and now i see these black ones come out :(
nicky.82uk
08-12-2009, 09:03 PM
Well I’ve just got one of the nicest emails a person could ask for … What happen was I order a load of Aqua parts... Throw Gary yet again some silly noob at Aqua Computer not blaming you Sven… But what shit are you guys smoking in Aqua HQ … It must be some pretty strong shit because how can someone put in a label up package G 1/4". And then send G1/8”…. But thank god I have Gary to my rescue... We both sent you email’s explaining the problem also red I think... I did ask him to but not to worry...... But thanks anyway
Well after me looking into shipping cost… fuck that shit of for a start it was something like $100 plus with FedEx or ups for a few nozzles what needed for the reservoirs because of the G1/8” fitting anyway Gary going to do some new holes so then I can use them … and that’s after hour shit when the guy should be seat back relaxing after a long day at the office ..
I’m just more than happy now because Gary just done something els also think you guys are going to be knocked back because Gary just given me 2, Blacknoise Noiseblocker Multiframe S-Series M8-S1 17.6 CFM.. reason being because there the only 2 in stock he has now also I’ve been waiting along Plus Free Sample - Feser Fittings - Similar to BP-LRV, 8 pieces. And my custom cable and now that’s what I call good dam service...
Also should get all my gear sent out tomorrow finger cross but I’m just over the moon I’ve never had this ever before with a shop like Gary's .. now that’s what I call a very good service 100% you cant get any better then that anywhere in the world like you do at Gary's
wondergod
08-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Well I’ve just got one of the nicest emails a person could ask for what happen was I order a load of Aqua parts... Throw Gary yet again some silly noob lol not blaming you Sven but what shit are you guys smoking in Aqua HQ lol … it must be some pretty strong shit because how can someone put in a label up package G 1/4". And then send G1/8” dear oh dear but thank god I have Gary to my rescue we both sent you email’s explaining the problem also red i think and after me looking at shipping cost… fuck that shit of for a start it was something like $100 plus with FedEx and ups for a few nozzles .. what need re doing because of the G1/8” fitting anyway I’m just more than happy Gary just done something else I also think you guys are going to be knocked back because Gary just given me 2, Blacknoise Noiseblocker Multiframe S-Series M8-S1 17.6 CFM.. reason being because there the only 2 in stock he has now also I’ve been waiting along Plus Free Sample - Feser Fittings - Similar to BP-LRV, 8 pieces. And my custom cable and now that’s what I call good dam service ..
Also should get all my gear sent out tomorrow finger cross but I’m just over the moon I’ve never had this ever before with a shop like Gary now that’s what I call a very good service and the only ever shop I will go with
that post hurt my head....and anus. I'm not a grammar/punctuation nazi but jeeeez
nicky.82uk
08-12-2009, 09:42 PM
lol my bad
Worthy
08-13-2009, 04:42 AM
Nicky, if that post was a homework assignment, your ass would be in detention. :lolsign:
nicky.82uk
08-13-2009, 09:04 AM
lol hmmm
Marne
08-13-2009, 09:23 AM
my brain exploded reading that
nicky.82uk
08-13-2009, 09:55 AM
i hope you can read it now sorry it was late you know here in asia it was something like 10am i had been up 24 hrs i will be glad when its all over because then i can get back in to asia time and not usa times because somedays i feel fucked big time
just a noob
08-22-2009, 01:56 PM
just made my second order this week :crack:
Well I'll be damned. I almost wished I lived in the US now. I also wish he stocked the Black Ice II Stealth 280 Rad. :p
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